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Posted: October 05, 2019, 9:53 AM Post
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Maybe Stearns and Counsell shouldn’t of ran out Villar, a 162 game, 4-WAR player.


Villar was playing well enough, and Arcia poorly enough, that in 2016, Arcia should not have been called up. In fact, Arcia clearly had holes that AAA pitching was exposing.

Put it this way, his OPS went from .800 in Hunstville to .723 in Colorado Springs. A 77-point drop. Playing half the time in what was arguably professional baseball's most hitter-friendly environment. That's kind of the opposite of Brent Suter posting sub-4.00 ERAs in similar circumstances in that same timeframe.

Villar was doing well enough that the Crew could afford to be patient with Arcia. Instead, the Crew rushed Arcia, and we got the mess we got in 2017/2018.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 9:56 AM Post
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Plenty of people on this site breathed a sigh of relief a year after Villar turned down the multi year extension.

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Posted: October 05, 2019, 10:18 AM Post
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Plenty of people on this site breathed a sigh of relief a year after Villar turned down the multi year extension.


Not really at the time. Most people realized that 20M or so on a multi year deal for Villar was not going to make or break us.

When he stunk it up for 6 months afterward, of course.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 10:38 AM Post
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I personally can't imagine that 1B coach is a really tough position to replace.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 11:58 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
homer said:
Plenty of people on this site breathed a sigh of relief a year after Villar turned down the multi year extension.


Not really at the time. Most people realized that 20M or so on a multi year deal for Villar was not going to make or break us.

When he stunk it up for 6 months afterward, of course.


That's why I said a year after

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 12:24 PM Post
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homer said:
adambr2 said:
homer said:
Plenty of people on this site breathed a sigh of relief a year after Villar turned down the multi year extension.


Not really at the time. Most people realized that 20M or so on a multi year deal for Villar was not going to make or break us.

When he stunk it up for 6 months afterward, of course.


That's why I said a year after


Reading comprehension not my strong point.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 1:54 PM Post
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I personally can't imagine that 1B coach is a really tough position to replace.


Ed Sedar would be perfect as a 1B coach. Or maybe as the AAA manager.

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 5:28 PM Post
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Don't question the Villar move.

He's nothing more then I guy who steals Bases and hits a few Home Runs if you overlook the bonehead mistakes he makes and just him play to do his thing.

Baltimore has a bad team and he can play there because they don't have anything better. So don't think the brewers could give him enough playing time to do what he has been doing.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 5:52 PM Post
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Don't question the Villar move.

He's nothing more then I guy who steals Bases and hits a few Home Runs if you overlook the bonehead mistakes he makes and just him play to do his thing.

Baltimore has a bad team and he can play there because they don't have anything better. So don't think the brewers could give him enough playing time to do what he has been doing.


-5 Triples
-33 Doubles
-.340 OBP (not too shabby these days)

And of course downplay HRs and SBs likes they don’t have incredible value. A guy stealing 40 bases with a near .800 OPS is pretty darn good. The boneheaded plays thing...so overblown.

Gotta be honest man really odd take. If you don’t like him, fine, but he was a 4 WAR player...he was really good last year. He would start on A LOT of teams. Villar at SS > Arcia at SS....and I don’t think it is remotely close. That being said with an atrocity (defensively) at 2B already I wouldn’t really care to have Villar next to him.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 7:21 PM Post
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I don't recall Villar playing a passable SS, and we have a better 2B in Hiura. Villar was moved to 2B for a reason.

If Villar can't play SS, then what are we hand-wringing about?


He plays half his time at SS right now. He did play a passable SS. Most scouts thought he could stick at SS if his bat played. He got moved the 2B because we had no 2B and a great young SS.


Villar wasn't passable at SS and just marginally passable at 2B. He puts up decent numbers but his K rate is much higher than Arcia's. I've always felt that Arcia's issue is that his concentration wavers from AB to AB. His career BA with runners on is .267. It's .225 with the bases empty. That's a significant difference.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 7:30 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
MrTPlush said:
LouisEly said:
I don't recall Villar playing a passable SS, and we have a better 2B in Hiura. Villar was moved to 2B for a reason.

If Villar can't play SS, then what are we hand-wringing about?


He plays half his time at SS right now. He did play a passable SS. Most scouts thought he could stick at SS if his bat played. He got moved the 2B because we had no 2B and a great young SS.


Villar wasn't passable at SS and just marginally passable at 2B. He puts up decent numbers but his K rate is much higher than Arcia's. I've always felt that Arcia's issue is that his concentration wavers from AB to AB. His career BA with runners on is .267. It's .225 with the bases empty. That's a significant difference.


He has never had a negative dWAR according to BRef. Fangraphs has him at -11 in 2016 at SS, -5.5 in 2017 at 2B, and -1.4 after 162 games of 2B/SS split almost 50/50 in 2019.


The eye test didn’t say he was a disaster out there nor do the stats. He just is not that bad defensively. Not great, not good, maybe not average...but 100% passable.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 8:02 PM Post
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At the time I was more upset about giving up Ortiz and the other SS prospect for a guy we really didn't need, Villar was in the doghouse here and needed to be moved.

Maybe Arcia just needs a fresh start somewhere as well but I do think he still has a ceiling he hasn't hit. I would keep him.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 8:45 PM Post
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If people just don't like Villar, that's one thing, but 2 of the last 4 years, he's had a 4 WAR season. Almost a 3 WAR player in 2018. He sucked in 2017. He's perfectly serviceable at SS. Dude is a good ball player.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 8:48 PM Post
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LouisEly said:
I don't recall Villar playing a passable SS, and we have a better 2B in Hiura. Villar was moved to 2B for a reason.

If Villar can't play SS, then what are we hand-wringing about?



Villar is an awful defensive SS, he was never an option there. So if Shaw doesn't stink it up there was never any reason to keep Villar and even given the results f I'd rather have Hiura. Villar would have gotten like 200 PA for this team and been worth less than 1 WAR most likely. You can't always just translate what happens on one team into what would have happened on another.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 8:52 PM Post
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Villar was even worse on the base paths than Gomez, and that is saying something...

Hindsight being 20/20, yeah, it would be nice to have him, however, he was NEVER going to make it out of CC's doghouse, so a trade was pretty much inevitable. Too bad we got completely hosed on the deal we ended up making. A deal, which to this day made zero since from the beginning.

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Posted: October 06, 2019, 7:05 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
I personally can't imagine that 1B coach is a really tough position to replace.


Subero did more than just coach 1st base. Having an assistant fluent in Spanish is a plus too.


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Posted: October 06, 2019, 7:08 AM Post
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Personally I don't miss Villar.


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Posted: October 06, 2019, 3:33 PM Post
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The Villar/Schoop trade was weird from the start. Schoop was presumably brought in to play mostly at 2b/ss as a right handed side of a platoon or take every day ABs at SS. Well the problem was he didn't actually hit LHP that well and Villar was hitting LHP will in 2018. Like others had said, Villar was basically benched for a few weeks leading up to the trade so it seemed clear that he was just dumped. The Brewers didn't give him a single start at SS in 2018 even though Arcia was horrible. The Brewers didn't view him as a viable defensive option at SS.

The Brewers were done with Villar. It was a bad trade. The process around the trade was bad. Only taking into consideration on field production, the Brewers blew this one.


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Posted: October 06, 2019, 7:55 PM Post
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The Villar/Schoop trade was weird from the start. Schoop was presumably brought in to play mostly at 2b/ss as a right handed side of a platoon or take every day ABs at SS. Well the problem was he didn't actually hit LHP that well and Villar was hitting LHP will in 2018. Like others had said, Villar was basically benched for a few weeks leading up to the trade so it seemed clear that he was just dumped. The Brewers didn't give him a single start at SS in 2018 even though Arcia was horrible. The Brewers didn't view him as a viable defensive option at SS.

The Brewers were done with Villar. It was a bad trade. The process around the trade was bad. Only taking into consideration on field production, the Brewers blew this one.


Only because Schoop was a bust for us.


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