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Posted: November 02, 2019, 7:35 AM Post
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The implementation of these rules probably explains why Hernan Perez was outrighted this time.

Not enough IP to go two-way, and they can't designate him a pitcher.


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 7:39 AM Post
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clancyphile said:
The implementation of these rules probably explains why Hernan Perez was outrighted this time.

Not enough IP to go two-way, and they can't designate him a pitcher.


Yeah, that's gotta be it [rolling eyes]


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Posted: December 15, 2019, 11:56 PM Post
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I’m concerned that the limits of pitchers on a roster, and 28 in September is really going to put the Brewers at a huge disadvantage. The reason the Brewers made the playoffs in 2018 and 2019 was in large part to great Septembers which were great because of pitcher match ups that were made possible by expanded rosters.

I know our Commissioner also talked about banning shifts in the past which the Brewers rely on. I wonder if our commissioner doesn’t seem to care about the small to mid market teams because doing things like this is the only way that clubs can be competitive with the big markets as far as thinking outside the box.

Maybe our Commissioner wants his league to be top heavy in the future.

I know this may seem like a dumb rant but if the Brewers cannot compete financially they need to find other ways to do it and if you take those ways away I’m just frustrated I Apologize. This is why I read more than post lol.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 6:48 AM Post
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I highly doubt this has anything to do with market sizes. People have disliked the expanded rosters for a long time, including Melvin when he was GM here.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 7:16 AM Post
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Expanded rosters stunk. I'm so glad they got rid of it. Stearns/Counsell will either figure out a way to make sure they have fresh arms or they won't. Either way, the game will be better without having 40 members of a team being able to be used.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:03 AM Post
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Brewermania101 said:
I’m concerned that the limits of pitchers on a roster, and 28 in September is really going to put the Brewers at a huge disadvantage. The reason the Brewers made the playoffs in 2018 and 2019 was in large part to great Septembers which were great because of pitcher match ups that were made possible by expanded rosters.

I know our Commissioner also talked about banning shifts in the past which the Brewers rely on. I wonder if our commissioner doesn’t seem to care about the small to mid market teams because doing things like this is the only way that clubs can be competitive with the big markets as far as thinking outside the box.

Maybe our Commissioner wants his league to be top heavy in the future.

I know this may seem like a dumb rant but if the Brewers cannot compete financially they need to find other ways to do it and if you take those ways away I’m just frustrated I Apologize. This is why I read more than post lol.


I think people are over-inflating how the expanded rosters helped the Brewers in September. Most of those guys they brought up barely played. A few of the pitchers got some mop up innings, but for the most part they deployed the guys they always did, just in a bit of a different fashion.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 9:40 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Brewermania101 said:
I’m concerned that the limits of pitchers on a roster, and 28 in September is really going to put the Brewers at a huge disadvantage. The reason the Brewers made the playoffs in 2018 and 2019 was in large part to great Septembers which were great because of pitcher match ups that were made possible by expanded rosters.

I know our Commissioner also talked about banning shifts in the past which the Brewers rely on. I wonder if our commissioner doesn’t seem to care about the small to mid market teams because doing things like this is the only way that clubs can be competitive with the big markets as far as thinking outside the box.

Maybe our Commissioner wants his league to be top heavy in the future.

I know this may seem like a dumb rant but if the Brewers cannot compete financially they need to find other ways to do it and if you take those ways away I’m just frustrated I Apologize. This is why I read more than post lol.


I think people are over-inflating how the expanded rosters helped the Brewers in September. Most of those guys they brought up barely played. A few of the pitchers got some mop up innings, but for the most part they deployed the guys they always did, just in a bit of a different fashion.



Those mop up innings allowed others to pitch in meaningful positions.... I'm thinking of Jackson, in particular


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 9:53 AM Post
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Personally I’ve always enjoyed expanded rosters. I liked seeing guys who had a nice season getting rewarded with a big league call up, and it’s fun to get that first look at how they handle the majors.

To me the games are even more entertaining seeing the manager get to pull out all the stops with matchups, defensive replacements, and pinch runners. I do realize that most fans probably feel differently.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 11:30 AM Post
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I don't understand why you'd put a restriction on the number of Ps on your active roster. If a team wants to go 9 position players and 16 (17 now) pitchers...so what?


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 11:17 PM Post
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I do believe that restricting strategy eventually will hurt competition, especially for smaller market team who often have to think outside the box. I also like the expanded rosters. I like to go to late season games especially to get a look at the young guys or the successful AAA guys. I think the commissioner’s main job should be tailoring the rules to increase competition not to ensure its commercialization. It my interpretation that the new rules will stymie competition.


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Posted: December 17, 2019, 11:39 AM Post
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I don't understand why you'd put a restriction on the number of Ps on your active roster. If a team wants to go 9 position players and 16 (17 now) pitchers...so what?


Because pitching changes take time and that's bad. Less pitchers, less changes, more excitement!


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Posted: January 22, 2020, 5:57 PM Post

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what still hasn't been decided upon formally regarding roster construction?

maximum number of pitchers allowed on a roster?

has it been made official that the requisite stay for all players (pitchers and position players) on optional assignment must be at least 15 days instead of 10?


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Posted: January 24, 2020, 10:09 AM Post
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Since pretty much all MLB teams have been going with the 13 pitchers/12 hitters breakdown under the old rules, I'm really hoping that the 13th hitter evolves into a "late inning pinch-running specialist" for most teams. That way, in all close games each teams can pinch-run that guy in the 8th/9th inning and then fans will be treated to the "10 tosses to first" during every at-bat with that fast guy on 1B. We all know how absolutely thrilling that will be.

Best part will be Manfred saying "unintended consequence" just like the average dumb politician. "We'll need a new rule to fix that."


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Posted: January 24, 2020, 10:28 AM Post

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JosephC said:
Since pretty much all MLB teams have been going with the 13 pitchers/12 hitters breakdown under the old rules

they have? i honestly haven't paid that much attention to roster construction other than milwaukee's, so i'd welcome a source.

i find it hard to fathom that an american league team would carry only 12 hitters for the majority of the season.


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Posted: January 24, 2020, 10:37 AM Post
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djoctagone said:
JosephC said:
Since pretty much all MLB teams have been going with the 13 pitchers/12 hitters breakdown under the old rules

they have? i honestly haven't paid that much attention to roster construction other than milwaukee's, so i'd welcome a source.

i find it hard to fathom that an american league team would carry only 12 hitters for the majority of the season.


Why would they carry more? They never need to pinch hit for the pitcher. Two guys on the bench in case of injuries seems like enough. Exception being a team that does a lot of platooning.


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Posted: January 24, 2020, 10:43 AM Post
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djoctagone said:
JosephC said:
Since pretty much all MLB teams have been going with the 13 pitchers/12 hitters breakdown under the old rules

they have? i honestly haven't paid that much attention to roster construction other than milwaukee's, so i'd welcome a source.

i find it hard to fathom that an american league team would carry only 12 hitters for the majority of the season.

With the DH, there isn't a huge need for extra position players unless they have a huge L-R split. Extra hitters helps in the NL to pinch hit for pitchers, but extra pitchers is useful in both leagues.


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Posted: January 24, 2020, 10:43 AM Post
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It’s really disappointing how rigid and “rule” based baseball is becoming these days... Manfred sucks and is ruining the game.


That's pretty much the world we live in, regardless of the industry. Many people seem to think that any perceived problem is best solved by an official making more rules and regulations, rather than just letting things sort themselves out. Generally, the rules and regulations don't solve the perceived problem, and just create more problems through the "unintended consequences" Joseph mentioned.

I agree with the final sentiment. Baseball is offense vs defense. Manfred wants to give more and more benefit to offense to make the game "exciting," but I think many fans enjoy a well-pitched game as much as they enjoy a slug-fest. If every game becomes a slug-fest, fans will stop tuning in. I think this is akin to the NFL changing it's rules a few years back, making it more difficult to defend against the passing game. NFL ratings steadily declined. This year they noticeably started calling more offensive interference and less defensive penalties, and it seems (we'll see how if final ratings prove this true) that the NFL is re-gaining its popularity.

People like the game, not one aspect of the game. I hope Manfred realizes this before he goes too far.

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Posted: January 24, 2020, 10:51 AM Post
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PlayerHader said:
I don't understand why you'd put a restriction on the number of Ps on your active roster. If a team wants to go 9 position players and 16 (17 now) pitchers...so what?


If I read it right, the restrictions are on hitters pitching, not on pitchers hitting or playing the field. Because they put in one rule, they probably figured they had to add the other so that teams didn't just list everyone as a pitcher so they could come in and pitch if they wanted. Don't worry, whatever problems this causes will just be solved by adding another rule or two next offseason.

I guess I don't see a problem with the very rare occurrence of a position player pitching an inning. I think fans actually enjoy this when it does occur. Therefore, the best course of action would have seemed to have been to simply leave it alone, but that doesn't appear to be Manfred's way.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

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Posted: January 24, 2020, 11:24 AM Post
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monty57 said:
I guess I don't see a problem with the very rare occurrence of a position player pitching an inning. I think fans actually enjoy this when it does occur. Therefore, the best course of action would have seemed to have been to simply leave it alone, but that doesn't appear to be Manfred's way.


I completely agree with this. It’s sucks watching a game and being down 8-1 after the 8th inning, but it definitely does bring a little bit of fun/humor to the last inning watching a guy come in that never pitches. There is nothing that is degrading to the spirit of the game at all by having a backup infielder or catcher throwing a few pitches. The offense gets excited to face him, the defense is probably the most engaged they have been all game and get some enjoyment seeing their teammate out on the mound, and the fans get a kick out of it from both organizations.

Seems like a win all the way around.


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Posted: January 24, 2020, 11:36 AM Post
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To much changing of America Pastime.


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