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Posted: February 15, 2020, 2:04 PM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Complicated rules to fix problems that don't even exist. Manfred must have worked for the government in a previous life.


That's my take as well. They're going down the NFL road of over regulating things. This fixes a problem that didn't exist.

What kills for us is that these rules seem almost targeted at what MKE has done the last 2-3 years.


I agree.

Reduce the September rosters.

Limit when position players can pitch.

Adjusting how long pitchers must stay down...


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Posted: March 29, 2020, 8:48 AM Post

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djoctagone said:
mlb announces rule changes for 2020:

--pitchers requisite stay for being optioned increases from 10 days to 15 days. position players can be recalled after 10 days.

--pitchers and two-way players must remain on the injured list for a minimum of 15 days--an increase from 10 days.

with the potential of an abbreviated season (and a season more aggressively played with as many as two doubleheaders a week), coupled with an uncertainty of how the minor league season will work (which normally ends early september), mlb and the players association have to be considering a modification to these new rules . . .

perhaps they go back to the 2019 rules of 10 days instead of 15 days? and/or further reduce the minimum from 10?

or perhaps with the cases above they change days to games played by the parent club while the player is on the injured list or on optional assignment (i.e. a major league club plays nine games over a seven day period, so as soon as the tenth game is played, the player can be recalled or activated)?

also, with the potential of two double headers a week, what will happen to the extra player rule? in 2019, it was the 26th player rule. for 2020, it was going to be the 27th player rule. if two double headers are scheduled within the same week, will mlb require that the 27th (or extra) player be a different player than the one from the doubleheader just days prior? or, will mlb waive the physical reporting requirement for an optioned player and allow that player to work out with the club as an inactive player until the next scheduled double header? if a double header is scheduled just three days after a double header, it doesn't make sense for the extra player to have to physically report to where ever the assigned minor league club is playing only to have turn around and fly back to the major league club.


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 10:43 AM Post

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it is reported here that rosters up to 45 - 50 players are expected if baseball resumes in 2020 (based on approximately an 80-game season).


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 10:48 AM Post
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Holy. That is a lot. Counsell is going to earn that money this season.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 12:00 PM Post

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Brew4U said:
Holy. That is a lot. Counsell is going to earn that money this season.

i think it signals that there won't be any minor league baseball played in 2020. the minor league teams' owners don't benefit greatly from radio or television--their main source of revenue is paid attendance (and the additional revenues from such). if fans aren't allowed to games, how can they justify agreeing to develop players for the major league clubs?


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 12:15 PM Post
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Can't help but feel like this puts a team like ours with a very weak farm system at a big disadvantage. We simply don't have good depth from 26-50, and although this might get guys like Corey Ray and Zack Brown a shot, teams like the Dodgers and Braves have numerous young MLB ready weapons at their disposal in the minors.

It's good news for guys like Corbin Burnes though who might have otherwise been only given a shot to figure it out in the minors this year.


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 12:26 PM Post
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I would think MLB experienced / AAAA players could have an advantage in a "no minor league" environment. If teams end up with larger rosters they will also be more prone to carry guys with a plus skill. Examples are pinch runners, defensive players, etc. Be curious to see if they drop the 3 hitter rule because of this, which would increase the value of LHP specialists again.


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 12:53 PM Post
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This is actually really terrible for guys who “need to figure it out” in the minors. Can you imagine the sporadic playing time guys like that will get? It’s good in the short term ($$$), but long term many of those guys will be wishing they could have seen consistent game competition in 2020.

No way they drop the requirements for pitchers needing to face so many batters etc...can you imagine how long games would take? You’d have 80 games of expanded rosters, no thanks.


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 5:42 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/jimbowdengm/status/ ... 08483?s=21


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 5:58 PM Post
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Universal DH has been mentioned a few times, but with the possibility of combining leagues into geographical divisions, you would think it gives the AL teams an advantage. The AL teams already designed their rosters for a DH. On the other hand, with expanded rosters, the teams could really mix and match based on situations. I still think a team with a legit full-time DH might have an advantage though.
I also prefer the idea of doing tie games or Hockey-type standings if they are going to try to force a winner by using extra base-runners or similar rules in extra innings.


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 6:08 PM Post

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if rosters do expand to as many as 50 players, it's going to be interesting to see if any transactional rules change when it comes time to pare the roster down to 40 (i.e. are they subject to being claimed if placed on outright waivers).

i'm also curious how rule 5 players drafted in 2019 will be handled in 2020. if they spend the entire (albeit abbreviated) season on the active roster, does their club retain their rights in 2021 and beyond?


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 6:21 PM Post
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Braun’s going to hit 50 dingers!

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 6:41 PM Post
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djoctagone said:
if rosters do expand to as many as 50 players, it's going to be interesting to see if any transactional rules change when it comes time to pare the roster down to 40 (i.e. are they subject to being claimed if placed on outright waivers).

i'm also curious how rule 5 players drafted in 2019 will be handled in 2020. if they spend the entire (albeit abbreviated) season on the active roster, does their club retain their rights in 2021 and beyond?


Hadn't thought about the Rule 5 thing. Wouldn't be fair to count a half season with expanded rosters as meeting the requirements. I'm looking forward to seeing the proposed roster rules, options, etc. One thought I had was around service time, especially with the possibility of lots of roster manipulation.


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 6:45 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Braun’s going to hit 50 dingers!


In 80 games?!


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Posted: May 10, 2020, 6:55 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Brew4U said:
Braun’s going to hit 50 dingers!


In 80 games?!


I doubt he plays them all. Probably around 65-70.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: May 11, 2020, 5:39 AM Post
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You have to wonder about the contracts as well... a lot of teams expected a full 162 games from players... to only get half that is a mess...


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Posted: May 11, 2020, 6:39 AM Post

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AJOHNSON104 said:
Hadn't thought about the Rule 5 thing. Wouldn't be fair to count a half season with expanded rosters as meeting the requirements.

pre-pandemic, a player had to spend at least 90 days of the season on the club's active roster in order to be retained--and the remainder could be spent on the injured list.

if the season does indeed start early july, it's possible that a healthy rule 5 draftee will be able to meet 90 days--but agree more easily stashed if the roster is expanded beyond the normal limit of 26 players.


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Posted: May 11, 2020, 2:47 PM Post
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I'd expect lots of work needs to be done with the MLBPA over incentive based contracts. I would suspect most incentives would just be pro-rated, but there could be some complications. Examples might be pitchers with bonuses based on innings pitched or games started. With expanded rosters and a shorter spring training, you'd expect more pitchers getting in games, but starters going less innings per start. Also, if a player tests positive for COVID, and needs to be quarantined, would that time still count as active roster time? If not it might impact their ability to receive specific bonuses. I'd think players would want that counted in return for agreeing to put their safety on the line.
Also, haven't seen anything about a trade deadline.


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Posted: May 11, 2020, 3:36 PM Post
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What does this do for Tim Tebow’s chances of playing in a MLB game?


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Posted: May 11, 2020, 3:54 PM Post
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nodakfan17 said:
What does this do for Tim Tebow’s chances of playing in a MLB game?


If he's on the "50 man roster" it would be pretty good.


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