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Posted: December 02, 2019, 8:58 PM Post
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I think the Brewers gave Shaw every chance last season.....

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/12 ... 38273?s=21


Agreed, but I also think that justifiably or not Shaw was rattled by them bringing in Moustakas in 2018 and never really regained his confidence.


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The Red Sox officially win the Shaw deal.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 9:01 PM Post
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I interpret the Shaw comments as agent speak. I'm sure teams will be lining up to give him a lowball deal full of performance incentives.


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https://twitter.com/haudricourt/status/ ... 65451?s=21


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 9:08 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
I think the Brewers gave Shaw every chance last season.....

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/12 ... 38273?s=21


AGREED. Shaw had an incredibly long leash. I wanted him gone early on. His bat just had gigantic holes in it.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 9:11 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
I think the Brewers gave Shaw every chance last season.....

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/12 ... 38273?s=21


Agreed, but I also think that justifiably or not Shaw was rattled by them bringing in Moustakas in 2018 and never really regained his confidence.


Maybe but on the other hand if just the threat of competition makes you sink that badly...

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Posted: December 02, 2019, 9:13 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
I think the Brewers gave Shaw every chance last season.....

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/12 ... 38273?s=21


Yeah, that's a pretty bush league comment by his agent.

Shaw was given ample opportunity to turn it around last year. It's a results-oriented business on a contending team. This isn't the Marlins. At some point, the results need to be there. We can't plug a .157 hitter into our lineup for 140 games.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 9:14 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
I think the Brewers gave Shaw every chance last season.....

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/12 ... 38273?s=21


Yea that's garbage. The Brewers recalled Shaw in June when Hiura was raking and Shaw was hovering around .200 in his AAA rehab assignment. I'll be interested to see what Shaw eventually signs for.


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I interpret the Shaw comments as agent speak. I'm sure teams will be lining up to give him a lowball deal full of performance incentives.


Yup, not sure this was really directed at the Brewers.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 9:26 PM Post
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None of the players that were non- tendered proved they deserved a roster spot next season. The only one that is close he Claudio. I liked him more than just about any fan I knew. It’s too bad they gave up a valuable pick for only one season of him.

I have faith that these spots will be used more wisely in 2020.


Exactly this. Shaw, Nelson, and Guerra are guys you hope will bounce back or be good next year. Considering the money they have been making, you can't spend that much on hope. Saladino is a dime a dozen no hit utility player. Claudio is almost useless now with the three batter rule.


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I forget, if a player is non-tendered are the Brewers then prevented from resigning in the off season. I’d imagine with players like Nelson and Guerra they still want the player but at a certain price, and therefore if they can’t get it somewhere else as a free agent they resign with Milwaukee on the Brewers’s terms??


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Wouldn't shock me if nelson is still with the brewers in 2020...they just couldn't pay him anything close to the arby number he would have gotten with how the system is set up. He was still hitting mid 90s so he will get more chances to show he can get mlb hitters out with somebody next season.

Shaw, Claudio, Saladino, and Guerra are just guys who ran out of minor league options and that really cost them value to the brewers moving forward.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 9:49 PM Post
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Shaw is just as likely to hit 30+ HR this year as he is to have a bad season. I completely agree with non tendering him given how things went last season but it is much more likely it was a bizzarro random bad year than his true talent given what he had done his previous few seasons. He showed nothing but skill growth in 2017 and 2018 and 2019 was completely out of expectations. Anyone who saw that coming was delusional going into the season.


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I forget, if a player is non-tendered are the Brewers then prevented from resigning in the off season. I’d imagine with players like Nelson and Guerra they still want the player but at a certain price, and therefore if they can’t get it somewhere else as a free agent they resign with Milwaukee on the Brewers’s terms??


They become unrestricted free agents and can sign with any team at any time (including the Brewers)

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Since the other thread was locked and no one seems to believe me...or wants to..

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The #Brewers will undoubtedly have a smaller payroll this year, which several rival executives acknowledged during GM meetings https://twitter.com/haudricourt/st


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I have no issues with any of these decisions.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 10:09 PM Post
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Since the other thread was locked and no one seems to believe me...or wants to..

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The #Brewers will undoubtedly have a smaller payroll this year, which several rival executives acknowledged during GM meetings https://twitter.com/haudricourt/st


Yeah ... because someone like jed Hoyer says so, it must be true. Uhh ... no.

You REALLY need to let things play out.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 10:13 PM Post
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The brewers will surely make moves to fill some holes but with what impact on the clubhouse. The kind of guys Moose Thames Grandal Davies etc were in the clubhouse were a key to grinding out the last two Septembers. This is a chemistry experiment as much as anything.


I bet Stearns has a computer algorithm for team chemistry. I’m actually serious about that... this is something I’m not at all worried about.


He has a Brent Suter for team chemistry.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 10:15 PM Post
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Since the other thread was locked and no one seems to believe me...or wants to..

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The #Brewers will undoubtedly have a smaller payroll this year, which several rival executives acknowledged during GM meetings https://twitter.com/haudricourt/st

Do you by chance remember last offseason when Haudricourt repeatedly stated the Brewers payroll was stretched to its limits? That was before they signed Yasmani Grandal and Moustakas, and I would consider Haudricourt an infinitely more reputable source for Brewers information than Bob Nightengale. Nightengale’s report should not be taken as fact or proof of anything at this point. Also, “several rival executives” have no idea what the Brewers are planning to spend on payroll.


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Posted: December 02, 2019, 10:16 PM Post
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In favor of a low payroll season or not? Great discussion to have in March if it's clear by then payroll will be lower. Until then it just sounds like crazy internet guy hot takes.


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