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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:16 AM Post
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Use this thread to discuss general optimism about the machinations of David Stearns. [smile]

How about if the current roster clicks and each player merely repeats their best campaign from the last three years (or Steamer projected campaign)?

C Omar Narvaez - .278/.353/.460/.813, .345 wOBA, 119 wRC+
1B Justin Smoak - .270/.355/.529/.884, .371 wOBA, 133 wRC+
2B Keston Hiura - .303/.368/.570/.938, .388 wOBA, 139 wRC+
SS Luis Urias - .251/.333/.403/.736, .316 wOBA, 92 wRC+
3B TBD!
LF Christian Yelich - .329/.429/.671/1.100, .442 wOBA, 174 wRC+
CF Lorenzo Cain - .308/.395/.417/.812, .359 wOBA, 124 wRC+
RF Avisail Garcia - .330/.380/.506/.886, .375 wOBA, 138 wRC+

C Manny Pina - .279/.327/.424/.751, .323 wOBA, 95 wRC+
IF Ryon Healy - .257/.305/.465/.770, .321 wOBA, 95 wRC+
IF Eric Sogard - .290/.353/.457/.810, .342 wOBA, 115 wRC+
OF/1B Ryan Braun - .285/.343/.505/.848, .354 wOBA, 117 wRC+
OF Ben Gamel - .272/.358/.370/.728, .323 wOBA, 107 wRC+

Not enough upside for you??


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:33 AM Post
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I love it. No holes, less K's, better bat to ball skills, still solid defense...

Now get me a 3rd baseman and let's cook!


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:35 AM Post
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Looking good! I like it... it will be very interesting to see the opening day lineup, I suspect there’ll be a few intriguing additions or changes

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:42 AM Post
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If Urias hits like he did to close out 2019, he easily could post a wRC+ above 100 as well. September line of .300, .371, .425, .796

Not all that unthinkable given he's 22 years old, has a hit tool rated as high as 65, and still adjusting the majors.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:43 AM Post
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This team is going to own the 26-man roster like no other!


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:49 AM Post
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owbc said:
This team is going to own the 26-man roster like no other!

If they do acquire a 3B in will be interesting to see how they handle optioning Arcia/Urias/Healy/Gamel


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:51 AM Post
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I think Healy and Sogard will split 3rd imo. I wonder if Davis has another piece to unearth like Starter or that 3rd baseman.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 11:53 AM Post
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I think Healy and Sogard will split 3rd imo. I wonder if Davis has another piece to unearth like Starter or that 3rd baseman.


I really don't see Healy starting in the majors. Not only have they basically stated he'll be down there due to rehabbing an injury, I just trust that Stearns will not go with a guy with this weak of a track record and 3B defense going into a contending season. It is illogical to have Healy penned into a major role.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 12:45 PM Post
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Castellanos will come in as the third baseman and the Brewers offense will be STACKED!

CF Cain
2B Hiura
LF Yelich
3B Castellanos
C Narvaez
RF Garcia
1B Braun
SS Urias
P Woodruff

Braun in the 7 hole!? Sign me up! With all the strikeouts across the league these days, we will get by! We will overcome! We will win the 2020 World Series! [smile]


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 12:46 PM Post
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If Urias hits like he did to close out 2019, he easily could post a wRC+ above 100 as well. September line of .300, .371, .425, .796

Not all that unthinkable given he's 22 years old, has a hit tool rated as high as 65, and still adjusting the majors.


In fact, Urias had a 70 hit tool on MLB pipeline! I think people are greatly underrating him based on a rocky first few months in his MLB career. The kid will rake.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 12:50 PM Post
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brewmann04 said:
I think Healy and Sogard will split 3rd imo. I wonder if Davis has another piece to unearth like Starter or that 3rd baseman.


Cmon man this is the optimism thread

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Posted: December 19, 2019, 1:45 PM Post
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Count me in on the optimistic side of things for a change. Absolutely love the roster turnover. I still think we'll find a 3b and trade for an ace before the deadline, and likely sign a reliever as well!

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Posted: December 19, 2019, 1:58 PM Post
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Stearns just proves again that he is smarter than everyone else.

Instead of committing big money and years to players north of 30, he has filled out the roster with players on shorter deals where very little (if any) drop off production wise.

I think atleast one more move is coming, but I am really pumped for March!.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 1:59 PM Post
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Last 2 year R/L splits for our projected starters:

Vs R OPS
CF Cain 0.715
RF Yelich 1.088
2B Hiura 1.021
1B Smoak 0.829
LF Braun 0.775
C Navarez 0.837
3B Sogard 0.703*
SS Urias 0.541*

vs LHP OPS
CF Cain 0.857
RF Yelich 0.959
2B Hiura 0.673*
1B Braun 0.901
LF Garcia 0.789
C Pina 0.775
3B Sogard 0.817*
SS Urias 0.954

Hiura and Sogard have some interesting reverse splits that I'm not sure hold much weight.

Urias mashed LHP but struggled mightily vs RHP is a small sample last year. I don't think a leveling of 750ish OPS is out of the question him.


Even without a major upgrade at 3B, that lineup is very similar to last years with potentially some more consistency without regular ABs going to Shaw/Aggy/Arcia


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 2:04 PM Post
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Hiura’s reverse split is real, although the difference might not be that pronounced in a bigger sample. He hit RHP’s better than LHP’s in MiLB & College, too

Urias absolutely crushes LHP’s, and has so far in his minimal MLB at bats

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 4:01 PM Post
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I wanna believe! I really do, but all my optimism is based on DS being way smarter than my gut which is queasy this off season. Given the size of my gut I’m sure my fears are overblown, out of control, bowling ball-like. See, I really want to believe.

But seriously even my gut tells me Urias is gonna be a stud. That Garcia will light up right-centerfield with like 120 doubles next year, that our team obp dramatically rises, that Burnes becomes our number two starter, Hader turns into Gavin Lux et al, Go Brewers Go!


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 4:24 PM Post
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I wanted depth over a few big acquisitions so I couldn't be happier with how this off season is going. Depth got us to the playoffs last season. Without depth we would have been toast when the injuries hit and when Aguillar and Shaw sucked rocks. It was depth that allowed the team to put up one of the best months in Brewer history despite one of the best players in all of baseball being out with a season ending injury. If Stearns does bring in someone like Donaldson or Ryu I wouldn't mind at this point. I just didn't want them to be brought in at the expense of depth.

There needs to be a King Thames version of the bible.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 5:24 PM Post
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I like what the team is doing. It was a tough situation this offseason. Grandal and Moose only signed because their market was slow, and Pomeranz and Lyles could be acquired because they were rentals who had struggled (And were also very cheap). Those four then play so well that they combine for $50m AAV. Replacing that was always going to be tough. And even if they had gotten them all back, there would still be spots that needed filling, and they'd have absolutely no money to do it with. So shedding contracts made sense; opting against taking the chances for a bounceback year for the injured Nelson and slumping Shaw (I believe they both will be a lot better in 2020. But perhaps not sure enough to pay $5m each). Opting to try and get Andersons production for less than $8.5m and Thames for 7.5m. Opting to not pay bench players with poor bats (Spangenberg, Perez), and not paying for middle relief (Claudio, Guerra).

So they then take the approach that the movie version of Moneyball has a scene about; They can't replace Giambi and Damon, so they recreate them in the aggregate. And it's kind of what the Brewers are doing. Consider that Moose and Grandal aren't the only position players gone; they're the ones we'll miss the most (performance wise), but we'll also not see Aguilar, Shaw, Perez, Spangenberg, and less (I presume) of Gamel and Arcia. So to improve on that, they'd need to add players who can improve over the combined stats of those 6 (or 8). And I'd argue that they have already done so, even if Sogard/Healy would be the 3B players as it stands (And I don't think it will).

In a free agent market that's more robust than it has in the past, and with some uncertainty in how good the team will be (Will Cain bounce back? How good is Urias? Does Lindblom's changes translate from KBO to MLB? Corbin Burnes?), signing solid if unspectacular veterans to short-term deals makes a lot of sense as opposed to participating in bidding wars. Makes the team better, won't limit them in 2021, and they have team options on several of them if things turn out well.

There was also the moves for Narvaez and Lauer/Urias; Narvaez where the offense of Grandal was replaced for a fraction of the cost (Though they'll have to handle the defensive drop off) and for more years of control. And Luer/Urias where young talent was traded from a position of surplus (And a stronger open market) in exchange for young talent at a position of need. And swapping two similar(ish) pitchers, while gaining more team control and at a lower salary. So they've even added "young controllable talent". And the idea of signing these short-term free agent deals with veterans actually helps that. You add wins to the roster without giving up prospects or comp picks. You don't have highly paid veterans for years blocking talented prospects. It allows prospects to develop and come up to the majors when ready.

There are still moves that will happen, I'm sure, but I'd say that this offseason further solidifies the idea of Stearns as being 100% about the value, and (Like I talked about in the "recreating in the aggregate" bit) not thinking about the roster in terms of specific positions, or starters and bench players. Not focusing on replacing an allstar 3B/C combo, but on replacing the runs and wins they contributed. So the team will enter 2021 with very little guaranteed money on the books, and another year of prospect development. Allowing for either a soft reset or a spending push, depending on how their signings and their prospects play out.

I like that the offense will be seemingly less strikeout-prone and less HR-reliant. If the balls stay juiced that might not be a positive move overall, but I think it'll be more enjoyable and less frustrating to watch.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 6:10 PM Post
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I'd say that this offseason further solidifies the idea of Stearns as being 100% about the value, and (Like I talked about in the "recreating in the aggregate" bit) not thinking about the roster in terms of specific positions, or starters and bench players. Not focusing on replacing an allstar 3B/C combo, but on replacing the runs and wins they contributed.


This is spot on. XISXISXIS still has a tag about this from from JosephC a few years ago. I was sort of mocking Stearns moves at the trade deadline but it demonstrates your point on how Stearns operates very well.

Stearns probably had no interest in getting a C because the Brewers need a C. It makes much more sense to trade for 3B when it's not needed, and then move the other 3B to 2B, then trade for a 2B, but since the 3B is now at 2B, then the new 2B goes to SS


Considering we went on to have the best record in the NL that season, in no small part because of those moves, I think the idea you so very aptly laid out is a promising way to go about roster building. It's also why I'm not nearly as worried about starting pitching as most people seem to be. We didn't have the best starters the last two years but we had a better record than a lot of teams who had better starting pitching.

There needs to be a King Thames version of the bible.


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 7:18 PM Post
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