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Posted: September 19, 2020, 8:22 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/adammccalvy/status/1307501366412271619?s=21


Wow ... it is really a shame that we may possibly only see one more Burnes start this year. He's easily been the biggest and best highlight of this weird season.

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markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/adammccalvy/status/1307501366412271619?s=21


I know Fangraph doesn't have tonight's performance into Burnes' stats yet ( As of this post) but before this start, he wasn't considered a qualified pitcher, if there is ever such a thing in this season.


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From an utter wreck to a Cy Young contender. Before this season I was hoping to see a decent season from him. I certainly did not expect to see him dominate like this


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I was talking to a friend yesterday and we were trying to come up with an example in recent memory of someone who went from being one of the 'worst' pitchers to one of the best over the course of 1 year like this. Can anyone think of any?


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 6:28 AM Post
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I was talking to a friend yesterday and we were trying to come up with an example in recent memory of someone who went from being one of the 'worst' pitchers to one of the best over the course of 1 year like this. Can anyone think of any?


In 2000 Halladay posted a 10.64 ERA (48 ERA+) in 67 IP then followed it up with a 3.16 ERA (145 ERA+) over 105 IP in 2001.

Almost 100 points of ERA+ is a pretty crazy swing, but still pales in comparison to Burnes going from a 50 ERA+ last year to a 258 ERA+ so far this year.


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 8:13 AM Post
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liveforoctober said:
I was talking to a friend yesterday and we were trying to come up with an example in recent memory of someone who went from being one of the 'worst' pitchers to one of the best over the course of 1 year like this. Can anyone think of any?



Lucas Giolito.


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 8:15 AM Post
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stalton said:
markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/adammccalvy/status/1307501366412271619?s=21


I know Fangraph doesn't have tonight's performance into Burnes' stats yet ( As of this post) but before this start, he wasn't considered a qualified pitcher, if there is ever such a thing in this season.


FYI in the "split" menu on the Fangraphs leaderboards you can select "Live Stats - Full Season" and it'll show up to date stats, usually updated within a few minutes of the event actually happening. Similarly, going to a player profile during a game or in the evening after one there'll be a "live stats" section above the usual stats that'll show todays stats and the new totals.


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 9:05 AM Post
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TigerUppercut said:
liveforoctober said:
I was talking to a friend yesterday and we were trying to come up with an example in recent memory of someone who went from being one of the 'worst' pitchers to one of the best over the course of 1 year like this. Can anyone think of any?



Lucas Giolito.


This is from 2016 so doesn't include Giolito obviously but some blasts from the past on here:
https://www.12up.com/posts/3734735-9-bi ... f-all-time

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 3:49 PM Post
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From an utter wreck to a Cy Young contender. Before this season I was hoping to see a decent season from him. I certainly did not expect to see him dominate like this



I was pretty confident he'd figure it out...but I was a bit worried that he might be moved into a role into the pen if he struggled again.

I think there a lot of posters on here were still pretty confident in him despite his disastrous season last year. His stuff is just too good, but does anyone expect any pitcher outside of Cole, Buehler types to dominate like this? He's just fun to watch right now. And hopefully he gets to take the bump a few more times this year.


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 4:03 PM Post
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liveforoctober said:
I was talking to a friend yesterday and we were trying to come up with an example in recent memory of someone who went from being one of the 'worst' pitchers to one of the best over the course of 1 year like this. Can anyone think of any?


In 2000 Halladay posted a 10.64 ERA (48 ERA+) in 67 IP then followed it up with a 3.16 ERA (145 ERA+) over 105 IP in 2001.

Almost 100 points of ERA+ is a pretty crazy swing, but still pales in comparison to Burnes going from a 50 ERA+ last year to a 258 ERA+ so far this year.


Even more crazy to me when you consider how little Burnes changed. I thought with Halladay they broke down his delivery and re-worked it. With Burnes, unless I'm mistaken, it's more about his pitch selection and just a mental break.


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 5:16 PM Post
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HiAndTight said:
sveumrules said:
liveforoctober said:
I was talking to a friend yesterday and we were trying to come up with an example in recent memory of someone who went from being one of the 'worst' pitchers to one of the best over the course of 1 year like this. Can anyone think of any?


In 2000 Halladay posted a 10.64 ERA (48 ERA+) in 67 IP then followed it up with a 3.16 ERA (145 ERA+) over 105 IP in 2001.

Almost 100 points of ERA+ is a pretty crazy swing, but still pales in comparison to Burnes going from a 50 ERA+ last year to a 258 ERA+ so far this year.


Even more crazy to me when you consider how little Burnes changed. I thought with Halladay they broke down his delivery and re-worked it. With Burnes, unless I'm mistaken, it's more about his pitch selection and just a mental break.


I mean he changed the type of fastball he threw and added a pitch that is one of the best pitches in the majors in an offseason. That's more than pitch selection and a mental break.

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Posted: September 21, 2020, 6:51 AM Post
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Apologies if this has been discussed somewhere but who is the last CYA winner to be removed from the rotation midseason for any period of time? Has that ever happened?


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Posted: September 21, 2020, 7:42 AM Post
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I didn't like the way the Brewers handled Burnes last year. Lots of young players have a tough time when they first come to the majors. I thought they should have just sent him back to AAA to work some things out. Instead, they have a bad habit of sticking every good young starter into the MLB pen, and that just made things worse for Burnes. Thankfully, it doesn't look like it had permanent effects, but it might have cost us a year's service time of a potential Cy Young candidate in a few years.

On the positive side, if he and Woodruff can keep this up, that's a good 1-2 punch for the next four years, with a lot of other talented players to fill out the pitching staff. That can go a long way towards getting us some more playoff baseball over the next few years.


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Posted: September 21, 2020, 7:54 AM Post
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stalton said:
markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/adammccalvy/status/1307501366412271619?s=21


I know Fangraph doesn't have tonight's performance into Burnes' stats yet ( As of this post) but before this start, he wasn't considered a qualified pitcher, if there is ever such a thing in this season.


To "qualify" a pitcher needs one inning pitched for every game his team has played. Prior to his start, he was short of that. Unless he goes less than 4 innings in his last start, he will qualify at season's end. He needs a total of 60 innings. Darvish got lit up a bit last night, and he was a prime Cy Young contender so that helps Burnes' chances.


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Posted: September 21, 2020, 9:13 AM Post
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Burnes went from a 3.1 HR/9 to a 0.2 HR/9.....pretty crazy.

I think Bauer edges Burnes, but that is about it. Burnes has no track record though so I wouldn't be shocked if he wouldn't even finish Top 3 if the season ended today. Which...to some point I can't blame in a short season.


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Posted: September 21, 2020, 10:16 AM Post
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We just have to put up some number on Bauer this week to screw up his stats, then Burnes have a good game in is start. Simple, haha.


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Posted: September 21, 2020, 11:28 AM Post
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Has it been reported at all whether the Brewers considered moving Burnes up this week to start on 3 days rest, and then might also allow him to pitch again on Sunday - on 3 days rest? Or, is that just something you don't even entertain because you don't want to screw the kid up at all in what has been an incredible bounce-back season (albeit a very condensed season)? I'm sure they at least entertained the idea, but wondering if CC had been asked about this in any of his press conferences this weekend?


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Posted: September 21, 2020, 11:58 AM Post
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Has it been reported at all whether the Brewers considered moving Burnes up this week to start on 3 days rest, and then might also allow him to pitch again on Sunday - on 3 days rest? Or, is that just something you don't even entertain because you don't want to screw the kid up at all in what has been an incredible bounce-back season (albeit a very condensed season)? I'm sure they at least entertained the idea, but wondering if CC had been asked about this in any of his press conferences this weekend?


Guessing there have been no conversations to start him on short rest just to maybe have him pitch Sunday on short rest again. If anything he will start per normal Thursday and maybe pitch Sunday in a pinch if it means getting into the postseason or not...in the bullpen role of course.


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Posted: September 21, 2020, 12:02 PM Post
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madtownhawk said:
Has it been reported at all whether the Brewers considered moving Burnes up this week to start on 3 days rest, and then might also allow him to pitch again on Sunday - on 3 days rest? Or, is that just something you don't even entertain because you don't want to screw the kid up at all in what has been an incredible bounce-back season (albeit a very condensed season)? I'm sure they at least entertained the idea, but wondering if CC had been asked about this in any of his press conferences this weekend?


Guessing there have been no conversations to start him on short rest just to maybe have him pitch Sunday on short rest again. If anything he will start per normal Thursday and maybe pitch Sunday in a pinch if it means getting into the postseason or not...in the bullpen role of course.


That is exactly what the Reds will likely be doing with Bauer (starting him Wednesday, then Sunday against the Twins if the game is important) ... the difference being, of course, that Bauer is going to be a free agent at the end of this year, and there's a good chance he won't be re-signing with the Reds, so they are more apt to ride him hard.

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Posted: September 21, 2020, 12:09 PM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
MrTPlush said:
madtownhawk said:
Has it been reported at all whether the Brewers considered moving Burnes up this week to start on 3 days rest, and then might also allow him to pitch again on Sunday - on 3 days rest? Or, is that just something you don't even entertain because you don't want to screw the kid up at all in what has been an incredible bounce-back season (albeit a very condensed season)? I'm sure they at least entertained the idea, but wondering if CC had been asked about this in any of his press conferences this weekend?


Guessing there have been no conversations to start him on short rest just to maybe have him pitch Sunday on short rest again. If anything he will start per normal Thursday and maybe pitch Sunday in a pinch if it means getting into the postseason or not...in the bullpen role of course.


That is exactly what the Reds will likely be doing with Bauer (starting him Wednesday, then Sunday against the Twins if the game is important) ... the difference being, of course, that Bauer is going to be a free agent at the end of this year, and there's a good chance he won't be re-signing with the Reds, so they are more apt to ride him hard.


Sure, but Bauer is a seasoned vet. Burnes is an inexperienced youngster. He has been great, but not sure I would go out hoping he is 2008 Sabathia.

Way too much risk for questionable benefit. No way they would ride Burnes for 200+ pitches and 12+ innings in the two hypothetical starts. You would probably end up with 8 innings max instead of 6-7 in just one dominate start. You may end up with two stinker outings if he is tired.


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