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Posted: January 08, 2021, 11:47 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
He's telling a group of Brewer fans that "this is sickening and a terrible time to be a brewers fan" on a site literally called Brewerfan.net, and I'm the one who's over the top? Gotcha.



It's an opinion, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong...

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Posted: January 08, 2021, 11:52 AM Post
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turborickey said:
Ron Robinson's Beard said:
He's telling a group of Brewer fans that "this is sickening and a terrible time to be a brewers fan" on a site literally called Brewerfan.net, and I'm the one who's over the top? Gotcha.



It's an opinion, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong...


Correct. I never once told him it was wrong. Perhaps I didn't state my rebuttal as eloquently as I should have, but I was attempting to point out a couple teams that have made big, splashy moves the last two seasons who he was welcome to become a fan of since he seems to appreciate they way they construct their rosters compared to the Brewers. Those teams, however, haven't had the level of success that the Brewers have had in that time.

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Posted: January 08, 2021, 11:57 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
turborickey said:
Ron Robinson's Beard said:
He's telling a group of Brewer fans that "this is sickening and a terrible time to be a brewers fan" on a site literally called Brewerfan.net, and I'm the one who's over the top? Gotcha.



It's an opinion, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong...


Correct. I never once told him it was wrong. Perhaps I didn't state my rebuttal as eloquently as I should have, but I was attempting to point out a couple teams that have made big, splashy moves the last two seasons who he was welcome to become a fan of since he seems to appreciate they way they construct their rosters compared to the Brewers. Those teams, however, haven't had the level of success that the Brewers have had in that time.



Which makes him wrong... It's not an opinion. It was a chance to whine away because no moves have been made that he likes or wants. It's annoying and does nothing for the discussion on these boards. Take it to Twitter or some other social media site and stop dragging down the board with your Brewer fandom sorrows.

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Posted: January 08, 2021, 1:29 PM Post
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Back to Lindor ... he's a great piece, but let's not discount what the Mets are giving up. The three prospects would be rated #1-3 in our system.


I like Gimenez, and while he's not as good as Lindor, they'll get more WAR from five years of Gimenez than they gave up in one year of Lindor. Rosario was a good late addition to the trade. He hasn't lived up to his prospect potential, but he's a MLB player who can help the team during their rebuild.

The prospects are talented but young. Sounds like Wolf's draft status moved up when he hit 97 on the radar gun, but really needs to develop his secondary pitches, while Green is an athletic speedster who's "baseball skills" need a lot of polish. Unfortunately, like most young players they lost a year of development due to the Covid lockdown. Both have a lot of potential, and we'll see where they go from here. I don't think they'd be in the top three of Brewers' prospects, but they'd be good prospects to have.

Getting two MLB players back probably reduced the "prospect haul," but Gimenez was #7 in the Rookie of the Year voting last year, so he's not a bad guy to have on the roster.


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Posted: January 11, 2021, 1:17 PM Post
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/francisco-lindor-open-to-extension-but-wont-negotiate-during-season.html

MLBTraderumors is saying that Lindor is open to an extension, but won't negotiate during the season. In other words, the Mets have a month or so to sign him to an extension, or he's going to be a free agent at the end of the season.

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Posted: January 11, 2021, 1:37 PM Post
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/francisco-lindor-open-to-extension-but-wont-negotiate-during-season.html

MLBTraderumors is saying that Lindor is open to an extension, but won't negotiate during the season. In other words, the Mets have a month or so to sign him to an extension, or he's going to be a free agent at the end of the season.


In other words what every player says when they are traded before their walk year and then doesn't resign.


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Posted: January 11, 2021, 3:30 PM Post
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monty57 said:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/francisco-lindor-open-to-extension-but-wont-negotiate-during-season.html

MLBTraderumors is saying that Lindor is open to an extension, but won't negotiate during the season. In other words, the Mets have a month or so to sign him to an extension, or he's going to be a free agent at the end of the season.


In other words what every player says when they are traded before their walk year and then doesn't resign.


Yeah, I thought the same thing. The Mets are going to have to overwhelm him with an offer, or he's going to play out his "team control" and test the market.

I'd guess that other teams knew this, which made it harder for Cleveland to negotiate in trade talks. Everyone always wants more in return, but overall I think they did alright. At the very least, they got two young guys who will play competently at the MLB level with the potential to be above-average. That's eight MLB seasons for one year of Lindor. If one of the young guys makes it, then they really did well in this trade.

If the Mets don't make the playoffs this year, and then they lose Lindor, what did they really gain?

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Posted: January 11, 2021, 4:13 PM Post
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This is just sickening and really terrible time to be a brewers fan.


I think this is a great time to be a Brewerfan.

For a franchise that has long struggled to produce any pitching of note, we look to have two legit top of the rotation caliber pitchers in Woodruff & Burnes, plus probably the best two headed shutdown relief tandem in all of MLB with Williams & Hader. I agree, their stuff is pretty sickening. Filth the likes of which we've rarely ever seen.

Look around the rest of the NL Central: the Pirates are probably the worst team in baseball, the Cubs were suppossed to have a Dynasty in the making that we for all intense porpoises put to an end in Game 163 of 2018, the Reds are already down one Cy Young winner plus their closer from last year. The Cardinals are still the Cardinals but even they could look a lil different with no Molina/Wainwright for the first time in forever.

The Brewers, conversley, have lost no one of real consequence from 2020 & have pretty much an entire lineup due for significant positive regression in 2021 with probably enough change in the couch cushions to still make a couple two tree additions yet before the season starts.


You do understand that their is No way they going to be able to afford Those 2 starters and Relievers once they reach the time for new Deals unless you have the rest of the team made up of cheap players.


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Posted: January 11, 2021, 4:21 PM Post
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Thank you appreciate the points
MY point was that is bad being a Brewerfan during FA as the Brewers are not Players.


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Posted: January 11, 2021, 4:24 PM Post
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RON my point as it comes to watch other Teams being big players in FA and pulling off trades.Yes before you say it i well aware that we got Yelich and CC and Grienke via trades in the past.


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Posted: January 11, 2021, 4:27 PM Post
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monty57 said:
Ron Robinson's Beard said:
Back to Lindor ... he's a great piece, but let's not discount what the Mets are giving up. The three prospects would be rated #1-3 in our system.


I like Gimenez, and while he's not as good as Lindor, they'll get more WAR from five years of Gimenez than they gave up in one year of Lindor. Rosario was a good late addition to the trade. He hasn't lived up to his prospect potential, but he's a MLB player who can help the team during their rebuild.

The prospects are talented but young. Sounds like Wolf's draft status moved up when he hit 97 on the radar gun, but really needs to develop his secondary pitches, while Green is an athletic speedster who's "baseball skills" need a lot of polish. Unfortunately, like most young players they lost a year of development due to the Covid lockdown. Both have a lot of potential, and we'll see where they go from here. I don't think they'd be in the top three of Brewers' prospects, but they'd be good prospects to have.

Getting two MLB players back probably reduced the "prospect haul," but Gimenez was #7 in the Rookie of the Year voting last year, so he's not a bad guy to have on the roster.

Prospects are also very hit and Miss too.


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You do understand that their is No way they going to be able to afford Those 2 starters and Relievers once they reach the time for new Deals unless you have the rest of the team made up of cheap players.


We have Hader through 2023, Woodruff/Burnes through 2024 & Williams through 2025. The 2021 season has yet to begin.

The only salary we have on the books currently that far out is about 26 million in 2024 & 28 million in 2025 for Yelich/Peralta, so there should be money to retain some of them if Stearns & company want to. Woodruff is slated to enter FA for his age 32 season, so he could be motivated to sign an extension at some point.

If at some point a couple two tree years from now the Brewers don't believe they can afford to retain those players in free agency, they can trade them for players who will help them be competitive even farther into the future.


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Posted: January 11, 2021, 6:36 PM Post
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Really, is the snarkiness warranted here?
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He's telling a group of Brewer fans that "this is sickening and a terrible time to be a brewers fan" on a site literally called Brewerfan.net, and I'm the one who's over the top? Gotcha.


we are all brewer fans here but also view things different does not mean one is right or wrong including some like to trade Prospects and some feel it better to keep the prospects to build this type of team.
BTW like Lindor will think he going to continue to improve and really help the mets


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