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Posted: February 17, 2021, 7:57 AM Post
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I must say with the addition of Shaw, I really like our lineup heading into 2021.

This is how I see our 2021 OD lineup.

Vs RHP
Wong
Cain
Yelich
Hiura
Shaw
Garcia
Narvaez
Urias

Vs LHP
Wong
Cain
Yelich
Hiura
Garcia
Urias
Pina
Arcia or Robertson

Really, really like that balanced lineup vs RHP and a lot of power 3-7!


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:08 AM Post
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No way Urias is the starting SS on opening day. You might think he'll end up being better than Arcia but he's not there now and if he is, then he'll play 3B.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:09 AM Post
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VS RHP

If Shaw makes the team as the starter at 3B

Wong
Yelich
Cain
Hiura
Garcia
Shaw
Narvarez
Urias

VS LHP

Cain
Yelich
Hiura
Garcia
Wong
Pina
Urias
Arcia

I don't think Wong is going to be sitting very much, even against LHPs. Yelich is going to be the two-hitter. That's where the best player is put in a modern-day lineup and will get him the most AB's with runners on.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:10 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
No way Urias is the starting SS on opening day. You might think he'll end up being better than Arcia but he's not there now and if he is, they'll want to maximize Arcia's trade value.


He absolutely can... Better spring, he's the starter.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:13 AM Post
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bergstein24 said:
VS RHP

If Shaw makes the team as the starter at 3B

Wong
Yelich
Cain
Hiura
Garcia
Shaw
Narvarez
Urias

VS LHP

Cain
Yelich
Hiura
Garcia
Wong
Pina
Urias
Arcia

I don't think Wong is going to be sitting very much, even against LHPs. Yelich is going to be the two-hitter. That's where the best player is put in a modern-day lineup and will get him the most AB's with runners on.


Don't know about that, why wouldnt you put Yelich in the 3 hole so he can make it 3-0 with a HR or 2-0 with a base hit? You put two good on base guys in front of him so he can drive them in.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:14 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
No way Urias is the starting SS on opening day. You might think he'll end up being better than Arcia but he's not there now and if he is, then he'll play 3B.


We'll see once the games start, but the recent quotes from Stearns seem to indicate that Urias is going to be given every opportunity to win the job outright.

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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:14 AM Post
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I won't believe Cain is a top 2 in the order guy until I see it. I really hope he can just hold his own down in the 7-8 spot, possibly 9 if we get the DH.

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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:14 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
No way Urias is the starting SS on opening day. You might think he'll end up being better than Arcia but he's not there now and if he is, then he'll play 3B.


Not much of a bar. Arcia is terrible.

But they'll battle it out in the spring, and I expect Urias to win that spot, at least in a part-time role. I think Urias will play all over and play a lot.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:15 AM Post
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Don't know about that, why wouldnt you put Yelich in the 3 hole so he can make it 3-0 with a HR or 2-0 with a base hit? You put two good on base guys in front of him so he can drive them in.


It's baseball. Your best hitter is in the 2-hole. That's pretty much the way every team does it. I'm sure there is some science and reasoning behind it.

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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:18 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
BestInTheWorld said:

Don't know about that, why wouldnt you put Yelich in the 3 hole so he can make it 3-0 with a HR or 2-0 with a base hit? You put two good on base guys in front of him so he can drive them in.


It's baseball. Your best hitter is in the 2-hole. That's pretty much the way every team does it. I'm sure there is some science and reasoning behind it.


https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guide ... ermetrics/

3 hole is the 4th best hitter in the lineup.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:20 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
No way Urias is the starting SS on opening day.


Urias probably would have been the opening day SS last year if it wasn't for breaking his hamate/getting Covid.

Assuming he's healthy this spring I'd imagine he gets every opportunity to win the job.

We know the front office is analytically driven & ZiPS projects Luis (90 OPS+, 2.1 WAR) better than Orlando (80 OPS+, 1.0 WAR) for 2021.

I'd guess the Brewers own internal projection system spit out similar results.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:21 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
BestInTheWorld said:

Don't know about that, why wouldnt you put Yelich in the 3 hole so he can make it 3-0 with a HR or 2-0 with a base hit? You put two good on base guys in front of him so he can drive them in.


It's baseball. Your best hitter is in the 2-hole. That's pretty much the way every team does it. I'm sure there is some science and reasoning behind it.


The 2 hole hitter gets rough 20 or so more at bats throughout the season so your giving more at bats to your best hitter while also keeping him in a run producing spot. Also after the first time through the order there isn't much of a difference between the 2 & 3 spots in the lineup. As well the player who bats third statistically has the most at bats with nobody on base and 2 outs. Analytically speaking the 3rd hitter is actually the 5th most important spot in the lineup.

All that said though lineup construction means very little and at most is worth maybe 1 win over the course of a season


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 8:34 AM Post
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My take:

Vs RHP
1. Wong - Good signing
2. Yelich - is he back?
3. Hiura - K's a lot
4. Shaw - Scary thought here in the 4-hole
5. Garcia - Same here
6. Narvaez - And here
7. Cain - And here
8. Urias/Arcia - And here

Vs LHP
1. Cain - Good vs. LH
2. Yelich - Has to be counted on
3. Hiura - Reverse splits?
4. Garcia - Has to produce something
5. Urias - Smashed LH, maybe move up if Cain flops
6. Pina - Has to play against something
7. Wong - BA is there, power zapped against LH
8. Arcia - Good times...

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Posted: February 17, 2021, 9:12 AM Post
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Not sure quite where to put this but are we sure Pina will be the backup catcher? Nottingham is out of options and he's been ok in the majors


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 9:20 AM Post
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This team could use Braun and the universal DH and all of a sudden, their lineup looks okay. It at least shuffles a few down a peg in the lineup.

vs. RHP
1. Wong- 2B
2. Yelich- LF
3. Hiura- 1B
4. Vogelbach/Braun- DH
5. Shaw- 3B
6. Narvaez- C
7. Garcia- RF
8. Urias/Arcia- SS
9. Cain- CF

vs. LHP
1. Cain- CF
2. Yelich- LF
3. Hiura- 1B
4. Braun- DH
5. Garcia- RF
6. Urias- 3B
7. Wong- 2B
8. Pina/Nottingham- C
9. Arcia- SS

And this doesn't take into consideration Green, Robertson, Fisher and co.

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Posted: February 17, 2021, 9:29 AM Post
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Versus Lefty:

Wong
Huira
Yelich
Garcia
Cain
Pina
Robertson
Pitcher
Arcia/Urias


Versus Righty:

Wong
Huira
Yelich
Garcia
Cain
Shaw
Narvaez
Pitcher
Urias/Arcia


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 10:03 AM Post
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MVP2110 said:
Not sure quite where to put this but are we sure Pina will be the backup catcher? Nottingham is out of options and he's been ok in the majors


We're not sure, but the mere fact that he was tendered a contract would suggest it. Manny is an elite defender, and Nottinghams decent-looking offensive numbers so far are basically all due to a good HR rate, but one that based on his minor league numbers, HR/FB rate and statcast data seems unsustainable. Add to that a 35% strikeout rate. Basically, I think Piña offers both better defense and offense.

But I also think they'll not make their decision until they've seen what they look like in spring; it could still be Nottingham. I suspect they'd want to keep both though. I think they'll try to sneak Nottingham through waivers at the end of ST.


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 10:11 AM Post
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Lathund said:
MVP2110 said:
Not sure quite where to put this but are we sure Pina will be the backup catcher? Nottingham is out of options and he's been ok in the majors


We're not sure, but the mere fact that he was tendered a contract would suggest it. Manny is an elite defender, and Nottinghams decent-looking offensive numbers so far are basically all due to a good HR rate, but one that based on his minor league numbers, HR/FB rate and statcast data seems unsustainable. Add to that a 35% strikeout rate. Basically, I think Piña offers both better defense and offense.

But I also think they'll not make their decision until they've seen what they look like in spring; it could still be Nottingham. I suspect they'd want to keep both though. I think they'll try to sneak Nottingham through waivers at the end of ST.


Definitely possible. I think Nottingham might actually be the favorite. He's super cheap for a few years yet and seems like he'd be a fine backup catcher. But I won't be surprised either way


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 10:16 AM Post
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RHP:

Wong
Yelich
Hiura
Narvaez
Garcia
Shaw
Cain
Urias

LHP:

Cain
Yelich
Hiura
Garcia
Urias
Robertson
Pina
Arcia


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Posted: February 17, 2021, 10:30 AM Post
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This thread has convinced me the Brewer's lineup is worse than I thought. Hard to believe that Shaw gets signed and is just thought to be the #5/#6 hitters against righties by default. Shaw has slashed .190/.309/.350/.659 against righties over the last two seasons. Arcia has posted .234/.288/.367/.655 over the same timeframe.

I sure hope the Justin Turner follies did not tie up money when better lineup options may have been available.

Even though Urias' numbers against righties are far, far worse...I still have the feeling that he will be the third baseman heading into the season and Robertson or Shaw will have to beat him out for playing time. Stearns just invested way, way to much in this guy to not give him the first opportunity to play everyday. I wouldn't mind seeing him at shortstop but the Brewers still seem enamoured with Arcia. Can't really blame the Brewers for that at this point as Arcia finally showed some promise last year.


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