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Posted: June 23, 2021, 7:04 PM Post
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When you play so many close games you need an elite closer……and we have the best!

Don’t take him for granted!


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Posted: June 23, 2021, 7:21 PM Post
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I wanted him traded after the WC play-in loss. I thought he was another Brewers reliever who'd have a "moment" and never be the same again.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 9:47 AM Post
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You will also find me on the record in favor of getting him dealt for the best offer available. Thankfully the front office doesn't look here to see what opinions I have to run with.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 10:06 AM Post
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You will also find me on the record in favor of getting him dealt for the best offer available. Thankfully the front office doesn't look here to see what opinions I have to run with.


Exactly the same here! So glad they didnt listen to my well-informed opinions!


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 10:17 AM Post
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Hader is currently first in win probability added among all pitchers (not just relievers) with +3.47. Woodruff is second at +3.23 & some guy named Jacoby deGroom is third at +2.80.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 10:31 AM Post
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Hader was the most logical trade candidate both this past offseason and last trade deadline to address the team's holes. Considering both his absurd success and the relatively weak performance of the bullpen, holding on to him was the best way to address a hole in the team, it turned out....


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 10:44 AM Post
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Josh Hader has always seemed, at least to me, an essential part of winning a World Series. If you get to the postseason elite relievers can be a real game changer. Most winners have one of the better closers in the game.

Trading Hader and trying to win a World Series is a combination that doesn’t make a ton of sense.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 10:46 AM Post
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It's odd but I sort of feel more confident in this team to win the WS than the one a few years ago. It's a relative long shot, but I just see this one as built to have a chance in a series format. It seems like you have a chance of an offense getting timely hits vs. trotting out Chacin etc. against the Dodgers. And I know Chacin was good that year.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 11:24 AM Post
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OldSchoolSnapper said:
It's odd but I sort of feel more confident in this team to win the WS than the one a few years ago. It's a relative long shot, but I just see this one as built to have a chance in a series format. It seems like you have a chance of an offense getting timely hits vs. trotting out Chacin etc. against the Dodgers. And I know Chacin was good that year.


I completely agree...pitching wins in October and these starters combined with days off that will allow for Williams, Hader, and maybe one more strong pen arm to be going in almost every game won't need many runs to win 4 times in 7 games.

Plus just having Woodruff, Burnes, or Peralta to turn to in an elimination game gives me a lot more confidence than somebody like Marcum or Chacin.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 12:43 PM Post
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Yeah, when 100% of your important innings are going to feature Freddy, Woodruff, Burnes, Hader, and the lesser combo of Williams and Boxberger, likely with Houser or Richards or hopefully a good Strickland or even Suter serving as bridge, you're in good shape.

The pitching stable is going to be very good. If this team gets there, it'll be built right.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 1:00 PM Post
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I wanted him traded after the WC play-in loss. I thought he was another Brewers reliever who'd have a "moment" and never be the same again.


I was one of those who couldn't understand the talk around here and elsewhere of trading Hader.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 1:02 PM Post
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OldSchoolSnapper said:
It's odd but I sort of feel more confident in this team to win the WS than the one a few years ago. It's a relative long shot, but I just see this one as built to have a chance in a series format. It seems like you have a chance of an offense getting timely hits vs. trotting out Chacin etc. against the Dodgers. And I know Chacin was good that year.


I completely agree...pitching wins in October and these starters combined with days off that will allow for Williams, Hader, and maybe one more strong pen arm to be going in almost every game won't need many runs to win 4 times in 7 games.

Plus just having Woodruff, Burnes, or Peralta to turn to in an elimination game gives me a lot more confidence than somebody like Marcum or Chacin.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 3:39 PM Post
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OldSchoolSnapper said:
I wanted him traded after the WC play-in loss. I thought he was another Brewers reliever who'd have a "moment" and never be the same again.


I was one of those who couldn't understand the talk around here and elsewhere of trading Hader.


It wasn't really based in reason. Just being a WI sports fan and seeing our superstar sort of blow it on the biggest stage of the year. I just assumed he'd crater into another flame-throwing 5 ERA reliever that had his confidence wrecked.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 4:22 PM Post
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OldSchoolSnapper said:
Pugger said:
OldSchoolSnapper said:
I wanted him traded after the WC play-in loss. I thought he was another Brewers reliever who'd have a "moment" and never be the same again.


I was one of those who couldn't understand the talk around here and elsewhere of trading Hader.


It wasn't really based in reason. Just being a WI sports fan and seeing our superstar sort of blow it on the biggest stage of the year. I just assumed he'd crater into another flame-throwing 5 ERA reliever that had his confidence wrecked.


I wanted to trade him badly, and it was definitely based on reason. However, that was mostly before he decided to throw his slider for strikes, let alone a changeup too. And it was before Burnes and Peralta decided to pitch like the blue chip prospects that they never were (prospects rankings can be soooo spurious). I also wanted a significant return which obviously was never offered.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 5:45 PM Post
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I wanted to trade him, but it had nothing to do with doubting his abilities, or having anything to do with the WC loss or his "down year" in 2020. He is one of the very best reilevers in the game, and I never doubted that. It's more of a long-term thing; if Brewers want to keep Hader long term they'll need to pay something similar to what Chapman got (5 years 86 million, with opt-out, and now on a 3 year 48m dfeal). Now will they do that? If the answer is "no" (Which it probably is), then at some point they should look to trade him. That point might have been last year, this year, next year, or when he's a rental. But at some point they should, and by all accounts were looking to.

What I am glad for is that they stuck to their guns, if we are to believe reports about the "ridiculous" asking price. Simply because they didn't need to trade him now. So hold on until someone gets desperate enough to meet the asking price. And until that happens, just enjoy the show.


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Posted: June 24, 2021, 6:33 PM Post
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Guaranteed blown save next opportunity.


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Posted: June 26, 2021, 10:15 AM Post
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Josh Hader is unscored upon in 30 of his 32 appearances this season (31.2ip, 2er), including each of his last 16 outings (16ip). His season ERA is 0.57. He has 53 K and opponents are batting .106 (11-for-104). Hader has not allowed a hit in his last 7 outings (7ip). #Brewers


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Posted: June 26, 2021, 2:03 PM Post
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Sometimes the best value a team can get out of a young, stud reliever during a period of time you hope to compete is to simply let him pitch for you until his free agent year, then see if you are in it at all come July 1 of that season before deciding whether to deal him for prospects at the deadline.

Hader has proven to be more valuable to the Brewers than just about any theoretical trade return they could have gotten for him the past few offseasons, and I'm glad they've held onto him.

The one mistake I hope the Brewers don't make is giving Hader a huge extension before he hits free agency. If they lose him to a team offering the moon, so be it. If some team offers the moon in terms of trade value in the 2023 offseason with one year left of team control, I'd be ok with a trade because its unlikely they can or should give him a market value longterm extension.


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Posted: June 28, 2021, 4:28 PM Post
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My only beef is they save him for the 9th, instead of in that "Fireman" role he had in 2017-2018. He gets anywhere from 3-8 outs, then hands it over to a closer for the 9th (say, Devin Williams or a re-signed Jeremy Jeffress).


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Posted: June 28, 2021, 4:48 PM Post
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My only beef is they save him for the 9th, instead of in that "Fireman" role he had in 2017-2018. He gets anywhere from 3-8 outs, then hands it over to a closer for the 9th (say, Devin Williams or a re-signed Jeremy Jeffress).


Yeah I’m fine with the way they are using him……and I have a feeling Hader would be pissed off in a major way if he was moved out of the closers role now.


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