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Posted: July 11, 2007, 6:39 AM Post
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how do we know Pujols would have made a difference?


I would guess that his career .330 average and .418 OB%could make a difference. Call me crazy. Although he is down to a pathetic .310/.411 so far this year.


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Posted: July 11, 2007, 6:50 AM Post
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The guy he needed to pinch hit for was Hudson who is a weak hitting 2nd baseman.

I disagree. You PH Pujols for Hudson and you put yourself in a position where a hit ties it and sends it to extra innings with no reserves. Foot, meet bullet. Also Hudson is hitting .296/.380/.454. You PH Pujols for Rowand, the better call, and you put yourself in a position where a hit ends the game. You need to be able to PH for a pitcher in extra innings, that AB, and the upgrade from pitcher to hitter is just too valuable to spend it on the tiny upgrade from all-star hitter to all-star hitter.


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Posted: July 11, 2007, 6:59 AM Post
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I would guess that his career .330 average and .418 OB%could make a difference. Call me crazy.

Okay Crazy. So, he has a 1-in-3 chance of getting a hit and a 2-in-5 chance of getting on base. In other words, in a one-AB situation, he is not much more likely to make a difference than anybody else that hit that inning. We can't assume that using Pujols in the 9th would have magically won the game for the NL.

I'm with you... I would have preferred Pujols with the game on the line (not over Rowand, but perhaps over Hudson). My point is, your fooling yourself if you think LaRussa lost the game by not using Pujols, IMO (and now we're finding out that Pujols may not have even been available).


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Posted: July 11, 2007, 7:54 AM Post
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I'm not going to argue further whether there was a better chance of the best hitter this decade getting a hit instead of Hudson or Rowand. Remember nerves factor into a situation like this, also giving a big nod to Pujols. Also, not tying the game gives you zero chance of getting to extra innings for the win. There are 8 other all-star players in the lineup to have to worry about what you do if you happen to end up with the pitcher batting in a crucial situation.

I'm not saying that Pujols not playing lost the game. I'm just saying there was a much better chance of winning had he played.

What did the AL have left for position players?


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Posted: July 11, 2007, 7:57 AM Post
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What did the AL have left for position players?

From the ESPN.com article:

Pujols and Texas shortstop Michael Young -- last year's All-Star Game MVP -- were the only position players who didn't get into the game. Ever since the 2002 event ended in an extra-innings tie, managers have tended to hold a hitter back just in case.

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Posted: July 11, 2007, 8:10 AM Post
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La Russa did a very poor job of managing the game overall. That said, while I was hoping he would pinch hit Pujols in the 9th, I kind of knew he wasnt going to do it. Kind of like watching Yost fumble with the lineup and stare at the bullpen phone when he should be walking to the mound to make a move.


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Posted: July 11, 2007, 8:17 AM Post
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Yes, I agree that he did a bad job. It's like he didn't realize he had to try and win the game until there were two outs in the ninth inning.

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Posted: July 11, 2007, 10:03 AM Post
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The whole "This one counts" junk is what leads to this. It's an exhibition. If you're going to make it count, then put the best players out there and avoid the "token" All Stars.

This is Selig's dud IMO.

But in an All Star game, people pay and watch to see Pujols in that situation. That's the bottom line. Rowand is a great player but the average fan doesn't really know who he is outside of his face-smashing catch. But you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't know Pujols. Woulda made for great drama...


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Posted: July 11, 2007, 11:42 AM Post
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This, to me, is akin to drawing up a game-winning play for Scottie Pippen when you have Jordan sitting there....oh wait....

Seriously, the old 'he doesn't have much better of a chance' argument doesn't make any sense to me. I understand your point, but it's not like you're going from Rowand to Pat Burrell. This is Pujols we're talking about. This would have been no minor upgrade. I couldn't believe that Big Al wasn't standing in that batter's box.

My guess is that LaRussa felt sitting his own guy - not another team's star - as the 'emergency player' was the right thing to do. Can't say I blame him there in terms of public opinion, but I think he overcompensated. This is letting Bobby Simmons shoot the three instead of Redd with the game on the line, for what? To appease hypothetical fans that may call LaRussa a homer? The 'last player' factor has to be what made the decision.

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Posted: July 11, 2007, 12:53 PM Post
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If LaRussa was indeed saving a player for extra innings, I like that he chose his own guy (and someone who probably will get a zillion more All-Star AB's in his career anyway). But he probably should have given Pujols a heads-up at some point. (Apparently, he didn't.)

I hadn't realized that Pujols hasn't homered since June 14. Maybe that was in the back on LaRussa's mind, too.


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Posted: July 12, 2007, 1:44 AM Post
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"I hadn't realized that Pujols hasn't homered since June 14. Maybe that was in the back on LaRussa's mind, too."

I doubt that had anything to do with it, especially when Pujols seemed to somewhat find his homerun swing during the derby.

What concerns me as a Brewer Fan is Pujols being angry and probably feels like he has something to prove coming out of the gates in the second half. I could see him ripping off 8+ homers to close out this month...


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Posted: July 12, 2007, 2:08 AM Post
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With a line of .296/.380/.454 (.834 OPS) this season and .290/.364/.454 (.818 OPS) since the start of last season, I wouldn't exactly call Hudson a weak hitter. Still, I think I'd have gotten Pujols into that inning somewhere.

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What concerns me as a Brewer Fan is Pujols being angry and probably feels like he has something to prove coming out of the gates in the second half. I could see him ripping off 8+ homers to close out this month...

You think his HR drought has to do with lack of desire?


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Posted: July 12, 2007, 2:17 AM Post
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Pujols's power problems are hamstring related, not motivation related...


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Posted: July 12, 2007, 2:35 AM Post
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He's a jerk.


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