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Posted: June 17, 2007, 4:23 AM Post
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Fair enough. How many times has the guy behind Hall in the lineup gotten hit?


Hard to tell since he batted 4th with Estrada batting 5th a lot. Estrada swings at the pitches they try to hit him with.


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Posted: June 17, 2007, 4:29 AM Post
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Estrada swings at the pitches they try to hit him with.


WELL DONE!

I'll be chuckling about that everytime I see Estrada swing at a high and tight one.


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Posted: June 17, 2007, 5:20 AM Post
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I thought you had to be good to be cocky.

I think we all know people who are cocky as all get out, who are legends in their own mind, and not worth a rip.


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Posted: June 17, 2007, 8:34 AM Post
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As long as he doesn't pull something like that moonwalk by Soriano, I'm okay with it.


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Posted: June 17, 2007, 11:13 AM Post
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I didn't see it, as I was listening on the radio today, but Jim Powell kinda called Bill out on not running to first base on a foul ball.

Jim said the ball only landed foul by about a foot and that Bill never left the batters box.


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Posted: June 17, 2007, 11:52 AM Post
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Hall was standing about 6 feet from home plate on the 1st base side when that ball landed just foul, and the ball hung in the air for several seconds. I don't know if he just lost the ball or was convinced it was going foul, but that struck me as odd.

I have no problem with a guy watching a ball he knows is gone. If you're really great at something, you tend to bask in your successes at least for a brief moment, which seems to just be human nature.


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Posted: June 17, 2007, 12:24 PM Post
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Eddie Collins was actually "Cocky". Billy could be cocky all he wants if he does what he did:)

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Posted: June 27, 2007, 1:05 PM Post
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I suppose if it was a trend I saw continuing, I wouldn't be a fan of it.


Concerned yet?

I was first concerned when Billy watched his home run for a long time in Detroit. But since that was a slump busting way out of here home run - no big deal.

But since then I can think several instances (home runs, foul balls, almost home runs, almost foul balls) where Bill has just stood at the plate and not hustled his butt down to first.

If Bill gets thrown out at second in the 11th today - Jenkins doesn't get walked. And who knows what happens to the entire course of the game.

I don't like his attitude this year.


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Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:18 PM Post
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Concerned yet?



"I figured it had a shot of going out. I got to second base. That's the important part." - Bill Hall

Listen, I love Bill Hall, but listening to the game today, I was pretty upset when I heard Jim Powell's call. Then I watched the game on MLB.tv and the only reason Hall made it in safely was because Carlos Lee played the ball just as poorly as Billy ran the bases. As a matter of fact the Astros announcers were upset with Lee's lackadaisical effort on the play. Hall caught a lucky break today. If he gets thrown out there it might be a different outcome.

This is about the 3rd of 4th time in the past week or two that I've noticed similar occurrences. I like the cockiness and the confidence, but you've got to be sure the ball leaves the ball park.

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Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:27 PM Post
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From what I remember, Billy has *always* been slow out of the box when he makes good contact (this is going back to at least the beginning of last season). He hasn't been thrown out at 2nd often enough for it to become a big concern for me, though. As for today's incident in the 11th, it sounded like it was actually pretty close to going out -- it definitely had Jim Powell fooled until it bounced off the wall. You could make the argument that you at least make an effort to look like you're hustling until it does go out, but he probably got wrapped up in the fact that he nearly won the game.

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Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:29 PM Post
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As for today's incident in the 11th, it sounded like it was actually pretty close to going out

off the bat it looked like it was going to be way gone..but still, he was very very close to being thrown out at 2nd and you just can't have that. Ned needs to have a talk with him right now, because that whole inning could have turned on that play


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I don't like his attitude this year.

He's always been like that, so let's at least not pretend his big payday has anything to do with it.


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Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:40 PM Post
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it sounded like it was actually pretty close to going out


Yeah, but who watches a wall scraper? If you hit a no doubter, stand there all day long, I don't care. If your trying to grind out an extra inning win against and division opponent, run until you know it's gone.

And for the record, the ball hit off the bottom of the wall.

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Posted: June 27, 2007, 3:42 PM Post
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Please people.

This is the same Bill Hall who was nominated for the Roberto Clemente award; who's active in the Boys & Girls club and the Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities program.

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Posted: June 27, 2007, 3:50 PM Post
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I think the Detroit thing was a reaction to his slump.
I agree 100%. That HR had so many bust-out implications. Obviously it sparked the team, but first & foremost that was Billy going, "Aahhhhhh....finally!"

Bill Hall is anything but obnoxiously cocky/arrogant. He's a gem of a person, let alone pro athlete. WE LOVE YOU BILL!


EDIT: Perfectly stated, Revenge. Couldn't have said it better...don't forget his active involvement with the Miss. gulf's post-Katrina recovery. Just a special person.

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Posted: June 27, 2007, 4:30 PM Post
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Yeah, but who watches a wall scraper? If you hit a no doubter, stand there all day long, I don't care. If your trying to grind out an extra inning win against and division opponent, run until you know it's gone.

And for the record, the ball hit off the bottom of the wall.



I'm not saying Billy watching the ball was a good thing, but it occurred to me that if the roof had been open that ball probably is a goner. I was convinced that was a HR and was surprised it didn't go. I'm sure Billy thought he got it plenty good.


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Posted: June 27, 2007, 5:15 PM Post
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I'm probably just naive and idealistic here, but I think people should bust it until it bounces on the other side of the wall.

Billy will fix this. He's too hard of a worker to let this become a pattern. I've never hit a walkoff HR in a MLB game. I might want to stand back and watch it go but like it has been said, that could have totally changed the outcome.

HUSTLE OUT OF THE BOX!


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Posted: June 27, 2007, 9:13 PM Post
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I think you have to dig hard unless you know it's a tape-measure bomb.

Easier said than done, though. You really only have a split-second to decide the trot v. sprint issue as you're coming out of the box. One would hope that sprint would be the automatic default option, but . . .


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Posted: June 27, 2007, 10:19 PM Post
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"Easier said than done, though. You really only have a split-second to decide the trot v. sprint issue as you're coming out of the box. One would hope that sprint would be the automatic default option, but . . ."

I didn't see this particular instance, but if it's anything like what I'm used to, this wasn't Bill Hall trotting when he should have been sprinting. It was Hall swinging the bat, then standing motionless and admiring his handiwork.

I think breaking into an immediate home run trot would actually be an acceptable compromise. Hit it, start your trot, loft the bat lazily towards the first base dugout with one hand, admire your handiwork - voila, you're 4-5 steps closer to first base by the time you realize you actually have to leg it out, and you're already in motion.

Come on Billy, we love ya, work with us here.


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Posted: June 27, 2007, 11:12 PM Post
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I'm glad people brought up Hall's community service, because he really does seem like a terrific human being. He has also obviously worked very hard in his career to improve his game as much as he has, and this year to learn a new position. I don't think you can reasonably question his work ethic or his overall attitude.

That said, I haven't gotten to see the games, but it sounds like the standing around at the plate thing is a real problem. It's just what it is, maybe a quirk, whatever, but he can't do that. Excellent person, hard worker, just please -- with all due respect -- run out those fly balls.

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