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Posted: April 07, 2019, 4:24 PM Post
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djoctagone said:
nice performance today from wilkerson. 10 strikeouts and one walk in 5.0 innings. i know he's probably at the bottom of the depth chart to replace a starting pitcher, but if the brewers are truly looking for ways to limit the innings of corbin burnes, freddy peralta and brandon woodruff to 2019, he might not be a bad option to consider from time to time--especially if jimmy nelson is unable to return to form.



Do you think it's at all possible the Brewers would go with a 6 man rotation once Nelson comes back? I think this would be an easier argument if they had the pen they expected with Hader-Knebel, Jeffress and then Wahl emerging as another high leverage reliever and then Guerra, Anderson, Albers and Claudio to round it out. But wouldn't this be a better would this be a better way of stretching these pitchers out and trying to limit their innings. It feels like the extra day of rest has led to some suggesting pitchers coming over from Japan have tired early, but I don't know how much there is to back that up.


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Posted: April 08, 2019, 11:54 AM Post
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HiAndTight said:
djoctagone said:
nice performance today from wilkerson. 10 strikeouts and one walk in 5.0 innings. i know he's probably at the bottom of the depth chart to replace a starting pitcher, but if the brewers are truly looking for ways to limit the innings of corbin burnes, freddy peralta and brandon woodruff to 2019, he might not be a bad option to consider from time to time--especially if jimmy nelson is unable to return to form.



Do you think it's at all possible the Brewers would go with a 6 man rotation once Nelson comes back? I think this would be an easier argument if they had the pen they expected with Hader-Knebel, Jeffress and then Wahl emerging as another high leverage reliever and then Guerra, Anderson, Albers and Claudio to round it out. But wouldn't this be a better would this be a better way of stretching these pitchers out and trying to limit their innings. It feels like the extra day of rest has led to some suggesting pitchers coming over from Japan have tired early, but I don't know how much there is to back that up.


I don't think that works with the staff as constructed, as it puts too much strain on too few quality bullpen options right now - plus it would screw with the more established starting pitcher schedules of Chacin, Davies, and in part Woodruff. What I think makes more sense when Nelson comes back is to play musical chairs with starts for 3-4 starting pitchers. The Brewers could easily go through a turn with Chacin, Nelson, Woodruff, Peralta, and Davies while having Burnes miss a start and remain in the pen as a relief option for a few appearances in that ~10 game stretch he doesn't make a start. Next time through the rotation he could switch roles with Woodruff, next time through it could be Peralta or even Nelson. On top of that, they could even give Anderson a few starts to have even more flexibility without having to burn options or start a AAA shuttle - that's all assuming injuries are largely avoided (fingers crossed).

It won't be a true 6 man rotation - they will stick with the 5 spots, but a few of those spots will consist of multiple starting pitchers even without having to tap into AAA starting options.


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Posted: April 08, 2019, 10:28 PM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
HiAndTight said:
djoctagone said:
nice performance today from wilkerson. 10 strikeouts and one walk in 5.0 innings. i know he's probably at the bottom of the depth chart to replace a starting pitcher, but if the brewers are truly looking for ways to limit the innings of corbin burnes, freddy peralta and brandon woodruff to 2019, he might not be a bad option to consider from time to time--especially if jimmy nelson is unable to return to form.



Do you think it's at all possible the Brewers would go with a 6 man rotation once Nelson comes back? I think this would be an easier argument if they had the pen they expected with Hader-Knebel, Jeffress and then Wahl emerging as another high leverage reliever and then Guerra, Anderson, Albers and Claudio to round it out. But wouldn't this be a better would this be a better way of stretching these pitchers out and trying to limit their innings. It feels like the extra day of rest has led to some suggesting pitchers coming over from Japan have tired early, but I don't know how much there is to back that up.


I don't think that works with the staff as constructed, as it puts too much strain on too few quality bullpen options right now - plus it would screw with the more established starting pitcher schedules of Chacin, Davies, and in part Woodruff. What I think makes more sense when Nelson comes back is to play musical chairs with starts for 3-4 starting pitchers. The Brewers could easily go through a turn with Chacin, Nelson, Woodruff, Peralta, and Davies while having Burnes miss a start and remain in the pen as a relief option for a few appearances in that ~10 game stretch he doesn't make a start. Next time through the rotation he could switch roles with Woodruff, next time through it could be Peralta or even Nelson. On top of that, they could even give Anderson a few starts to have even more flexibility without having to burn options or start a AAA shuttle - that's all assuming injuries are largely avoided (fingers crossed).

It won't be a true 6 man rotation - they will stick with the 5 spots, but a few of those spots will consist of multiple starting pitchers even without having to tap into AAA starting options.



I wouldn't be worried about it messing with their normal schedule too much as there are plenty of times throughout a year where you have a day off and you'd have the same type of situation.

But I think you're right, if they had their full BP options, that'd be easier to navigate, but you have no clue what you're getting from anyone not named Hader right now.

If you could have gone with Guerra/Anderson/Wahl as your middle relievers, Hader to come in where needed and then Knebel and Jeffress to finish them off(maybe throw in Albers as well I guess as he's had success every other year lately+ a guy like Sanchez or whoever) it'd be so much easier.

As for now, I'd agree, it's too difficult without having your BP in place.


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Posted: April 13, 2019, 9:23 AM Post

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6.1 innings of two-hit ball from wilkerson last night. 0.79 era and 0.62 whip through two starts.


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Posted: April 13, 2019, 12:09 PM Post
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I don't know if it matters all that much what he does in the minors anymore as he already has been labeled a AAAA guy by some. He will have to prove it in the majors when he gets his opportunity and that should happen at some point this year since he is already on the 40 man.


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Posted: April 13, 2019, 2:23 PM Post
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I don't know if it matters all that much what he does in the minors anymore as he already has been labeled a AAAA guy by some. He will have to prove it in the majors when he gets his opportunity and that should happen at some point this year since he is already on the 40 man.


Wouldn't a AAAA guy, by common definition, be an advanced-age guy who shows well in AAA, but hasn't shown enough in his big league opportunities to stick? If that is the case, a picture of Wilkerson (who turns 30 next month) might as well be next to the Wikipedia entry. I would say the chance is just as high that he's dropped from the 40-man as he pitches for the Brewers this year. The fact that they decided not to call him up in September last year after the AAA season concluded, I think, was pretty telling on how they feel about his future chance to make an impact.


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Posted: April 13, 2019, 2:29 PM Post
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Houser I think has fixed himself above Wilkerson in pecking order but sure we will see him at some point. At his age when you get chances you need to shine. He hasn’t in limited opportunities & has done nothing to break AAAA stereotype. He could be serviceable and good depth but don’t think he will ever be in rotation. Upside just not there.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 7:47 AM Post

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aaron wilkerson continues to shine for san antonio. 7.0 innings of shutout, 1-hit ball last night.

0.46 era and opponents hitting just .135 against him.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 11:35 AM Post
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djoctagone said:
aaron wilkerson continues to shine for san antonio. 7.0 innings of shutout, 1-hit ball last night.

0.46 era and opponents hitting just .135 against him.


Maybe just Maybe he’s more than the spot starter, depth piece. In any event he should be given an opportunity to start for the crew. I like the fact he’s a real pitcher, only 91, but plus Breaking pitches and plus control gives him a good chance to be another mike fiers.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 12:38 PM Post
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He's probably a better long man for the pen than Peralta, given that he has multiple pitches. Still, great position to be in depth wise, even with Chacin floundering.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 1:10 PM Post
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He's probably a better long man for the pen than Peralta, given that he has multiple pitches. Still, great position to be in depth wise, even with Chacin floundering.


If only it were that simple. Hopefully Wilkerson is on the upswing in terms of talent growth but he hasn't shown anything in the majors to suggest he'd be more effective than Peralta. He could be the AAAA player he's shown himself to be so far.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 3:06 PM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
DHonks said:
He's probably a better long man for the pen than Peralta, given that he has multiple pitches. Still, great position to be in depth wise, even with Chacin floundering.


If only it were that simple. Hopefully Wilkerson is on the upswing in terms of talent growth but he hasn't shown anything in the majors to suggest he'd be more effective than Peralta. He could be the AAAA player he's shown himself to be so far.


Wilkerson has performed fine in MLB in limited opportunities. He just needs opportunities.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 3:55 PM Post
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Guys generally don't "figure it out" at age 30 in AAA. He's roster filler, 4A at best.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 4:18 PM Post
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jerichoholicninja said:
Guys generally don't "figure it out" at age 30 in AAA. He's roster filler, 4A at best.


He’s been outstanding in the minors his entire career. Saying he’s figuring it out this year is an insult to his body of work


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 5:34 PM Post
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DHonks said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Guys generally don't "figure it out" at age 30 in AAA. He's roster filler, 4A at best.


He’s been outstanding in the minors his entire career. Saying he’s figuring it out this year is an insult to his body of work


Agree, been very good in minors, but this year is just at another level.


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Posted: June 01, 2019, 10:16 PM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
DHonks said:
He's probably a better long man for the pen than Peralta, given that he has multiple pitches. Still, great position to be in depth wise, even with Chacin floundering.


If only it were that simple. Hopefully Wilkerson is on the upswing in terms of talent growth but he hasn't shown anything in the majors to suggest he'd be more effective than Peralta. He could be the AAAA player he's shown himself to be so far.

I think some people underestimate how difficult it is being shuttled back and forth between the majors and AAA, often with no advance notice because they need a fresh arm, and how stressful it is to know/think that you only have one or two opportunities to impress in order to stay. I know on one of his callups his luggage got lost/delayed, and he had to borrow somebody else's shoes - for something as precise as pitching, to suddenly be in a different pair of shoes trying to pitch off of a mound can't be easy.

He's never had the luxury of being told he has a spot on the team and has more than one or two appearances to prove himself. Sometimes the worst thing that can happen to someone is to feel like you only have one chance and thus have to be perfect.


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Posted: June 02, 2019, 8:35 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
True Blue Brew Crew said:
DHonks said:
He's probably a better long man for the pen than Peralta, given that he has multiple pitches. Still, great position to be in depth wise, even with Chacin floundering.


If only it were that simple. Hopefully Wilkerson is on the upswing in terms of talent growth but he hasn't shown anything in the majors to suggest he'd be more effective than Peralta. He could be the AAAA player he's shown himself to be so far.

I think some people underestimate how difficult it is being shuttled back and forth between the majors and AAA, often with no advance notice because they need a fresh arm, and how stressful it is to know/think that you only have one or two opportunities to impress in order to stay. I know on one of his callups his luggage got lost/delayed, and he had to borrow somebody else's shoes - for something as precise as pitching, to suddenly be in a different pair of shoes trying to pitch off of a mound can't be easy.

He's never had the luxury of being told he has a spot on the team and has more than one or two appearances to prove himself. Sometimes the worst thing that can happen to someone is to feel like you only have one chance and thus have to be perfect.


I hope he comes up and carries over his AAA performance if given the chance. I'm just not counting on it like some seem to be. Twice now I've seen people assume he's more valuable in the Brewers pen then Peralta. That seems very odd to me. We have MLB track records for both. One has had significant stretches of dominance at 22 and the other has pitched 26 mediocre to poor MLB innings over the past 3 seasons and is 30. That's before mentioning that Peralta has a 2.20 ERA with 18Ks / 3BBs over the last 30 days. People see the sparkling AAA numbers and assume it translates into at least average in MLB. Baseball is littered with players who conquered Triple A but never made any impact at all in the majors. I hope Wilkerson breaks that trend but barring an injury I don't see who I'd want gone to gamble that he isn't what he's shown himself to be so far. If Burnes continues to get lit up, I'm assuming Nelson gets his spot on the staff.


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Posted: June 03, 2019, 11:20 AM Post
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DHonks said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Guys generally don't "figure it out" at age 30 in AAA. He's roster filler, 4A at best.


He’s been outstanding in the minors his entire career. Saying he’s figuring it out this year is an insult to his body of work


Agree, been very good in minors, but this year is just at another level.


I don't know. I looked at his minor league career. Nothing jumps out at me. Some good years but mostly average to meh.


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Posted: June 03, 2019, 12:01 PM Post
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DHonks said:
True Blue Brew Crew said:
DHonks said:
He's probably a better long man for the pen than Peralta, given that he has multiple pitches. Still, great position to be in depth wise, even with Chacin floundering.


If only it were that simple. Hopefully Wilkerson is on the upswing in terms of talent growth but he hasn't shown anything in the majors to suggest he'd be more effective than Peralta. He could be the AAAA player he's shown himself to be so far.


Wilkerson has performed fine in MLB in limited opportunities. He just needs opportunities.


He hasn't performed fine. If he had performed fine, he wouldn't be in the minors.

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Posted: June 03, 2019, 12:44 PM Post
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DHonks said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Guys generally don't "figure it out" at age 30 in AAA. He's roster filler, 4A at best.


He’s been outstanding in the minors his entire career. Saying he’s figuring it out this year is an insult to his body of work


Wilkerson is your protical AAAA pitcher.

Reminds me alot of Brad Mills.

Guy was consistently good in the Pacific Coast League (3.88 career minors ERA) but could never translate any of it to the MLB (7.97 ERA).


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