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Posted: August 04, 2017, 6:13 AM Post
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Noche said:
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Really enjoyed the research YoungGeezy1 shared in Post #47. One other thing that is striking with Corey Ray is how exaggerated his home/road splits have been this season. He is hitting .221 BA / .298 OBP / .344 SLG (.642 OPS) at Five County Stadium this year. On the road in the Carolina League this season he is .270 BA / .349 OBP / .432 SLG (.782 OPS). That away slash line isn't bad, and is in line with what I think many were hoping to see from him. He will be a candidate for a bounce back season next year in a new environment.


So much focus is on Corey's hitting stats. Don't forget the guy is a valuable fielder and base runner too. Plus by all accounts, he is a great teammate and competitor. This is still a fantastic prospect.

I am not particularly hung up on his hitting stats, but the splits are extreme enough that I thought is was worth pointing out. One additional attribute Corey Ray has been credited with from prospect evaluators is that he takes very professional at-bats in the way he takes pitches, fouls off pitches, works deep into counts, etc.


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Posted: August 04, 2017, 6:18 AM Post
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Seems like alot of the scouts love Lutz.. i heard rumors that Brewers wanted to draft him in the first.. how he dropped that far is crazy


Loved that pick from the start. Brewers got their toolsy OFer without spending their first pick on it. He would have been at the top of the first round if he had better speed. Probably will move to RF, but he will provide above average defense there. For a high school guy he could be a fast mover with good plate instincts and already shows in game power.


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Posted: August 04, 2017, 7:30 AM Post
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Noche said:
Eye Black at Night said:
Really enjoyed the research YoungGeezy1 shared in Post #47. One other thing that is striking with Corey Ray is how exaggerated his home/road splits have been this season. He is hitting .221 BA / .298 OBP / .344 SLG (.642 OPS) at Five County Stadium this year. On the road in the Carolina League this season he is .270 BA / .349 OBP / .432 SLG (.782 OPS). That away slash line isn't bad, and is in line with what I think many were hoping to see from him. He will be a candidate for a bounce back season next year in a new environment.


So much focus is on Corey's hitting stats. Don't forget the guy is a valuable fielder and base runner too. Plus by all accounts, he is a great teammate and competitor. This is still a fantastic prospect.



Nope, uh-uh, no way jose. Until that batting average gets up to some arbitrary number that I deem acceptable, it is a stone cold fact that Ray is a complete and total bust.


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Posted: August 04, 2017, 9:00 AM Post
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82brewcrew82 said:
Noche said:
Eye Black at Night said:
Really enjoyed the research YoungGeezy1 shared in Post #47. One other thing that is striking with Corey Ray is how exaggerated his home/road splits have been this season. He is hitting .221 BA / .298 OBP / .344 SLG (.642 OPS) at Five County Stadium this year. On the road in the Carolina League this season he is .270 BA / .349 OBP / .432 SLG (.782 OPS). That away slash line isn't bad, and is in line with what I think many were hoping to see from him. He will be a candidate for a bounce back season next year in a new environment.


So much focus is on Corey's hitting stats. Don't forget the guy is a valuable fielder and base runner too. Plus by all accounts, he is a great teammate and competitor. This is still a fantastic prospect.



Nope, uh-uh, no way jose. Until that batting average gets up to some arbitrary number that I deem acceptable, it is a stone cold fact that Ray is a complete and total bust.

Since July 17th (61 AB), good Corey Ray: AVG .295 OBP .376 and bad Corey Ray 20K in those 61 AB. I still think he will be a very good player, but he needs to lower his K rate. I think, if he can be healthy all year, Ray will show his promise next year.

What I found interesting is that Ray (.219 vs .281), Diaz (.204 vs .259) , and Erceg (.235 vs .256) all have better AVG against left-handed pitching


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Posted: August 04, 2017, 11:11 AM Post
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Clark is a strange case. So many things point to him becoming a great hitter, not just good, but then you see 110k and a .235 average. He's very young for his league though.

Very interested in seeing what happens with him next year. I wonder if he'll start in Biloxi or not.

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Clark is a strange case. So many things point to him becoming a great hitter, not just good, but then you see 110k and a .235 average. He's very young for his league though.

Very interested in seeing what happens with him next year. I wonder if he'll start in Biloxi or not.



This is kinda the whole system in nutshell right now. Immense talent but enough warts to make for a lot of question marks.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 12:19 AM Post
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How about Troy Stokes?

Superb OBP skills, found a power stroke, decent speed (87 SB over four seasons).

I think he's probably a slightly better OF prospect than Clark, mostly because he has that power.


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Posted: August 07, 2017, 7:13 AM Post
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How about Troy Stokes?

Superb OBP skills, found a power stroke, decent speed (87 SB over four seasons).

I think he's probably a slightly better OF prospect than Clark, mostly because he has that power.


Stokes is always going to get downgraded in the eyes of national scouts because of his Caleb Gindl-like size. But if you look it up, as a 21-year-old, Stokes is putting up very similar numbers to what a young Kirby Puckett did in A Ball as a 23-year-old (young Kirby was a threat on the basepaths as well). The measureables are very similar. Granted that's shooting for the moon, but if Stokes ends up being even 75% of Kirby Puckett, you have yourself a valuable major league outfielder.


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Posted: August 15, 2017, 1:00 PM Post
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Not sure where to put this, but Keston Hiura will be playing 2nd base now.


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Posted: August 15, 2017, 4:28 PM Post
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clancyphile said:
How about Troy Stokes?

Superb OBP skills, found a power stroke, decent speed (87 SB over four seasons).

I think he's probably a slightly better OF prospect than Clark, mostly because he has that power.


Stokes is always going to get downgraded in the eyes of national scouts because of his Caleb Gindl-like size. But if you look it up, as a 21-year-old, Stokes is putting up very similar numbers to what a young Kirby Puckett did in A Ball as a 23-year-old (young Kirby was a threat on the basepaths as well). The measureables are very similar. Granted that's shooting for the moon, but if Stokes ends up being even 75% of Kirby Puckett, you have yourself a valuable major league outfielder.


I don't know about comparing Stokes to Kirby Puckett in any way. Kirby Puckett had a .314 Batting Average in A ball and career MLB batting average of .318. Stokes hasn't even sniffed .300 as a professional.

If Stokes played second base I would get excited about him. However, at this point I view him as a small version of Ryan Cordell. Very run of the mill type prospect.


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Posted: August 15, 2017, 7:04 PM Post
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wildcat2237 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
clancyphile said:
How about Troy Stokes?

Superb OBP skills, found a power stroke, decent speed (87 SB over four seasons).

I think he's probably a slightly better OF prospect than Clark, mostly because he has that power.


Stokes is always going to get downgraded in the eyes of national scouts because of his Caleb Gindl-like size. But if you look it up, as a 21-year-old, Stokes is putting up very similar numbers to what a young Kirby Puckett did in A Ball as a 23-year-old (young Kirby was a threat on the basepaths as well). The measureables are very similar. Granted that's shooting for the moon, but if Stokes ends up being even 75% of Kirby Puckett, you have yourself a valuable major league outfielder.


I don't know about comparing Stokes to Kirby Puckett in any way. Kirby Puckett had a .314 Batting Average in A ball and career MLB batting average of .318. Stokes hasn't even sniffed .300 as a professional.

If Stokes played second base I would get excited about him. However, at this point I view him as a small version of Ryan Cordell. Very run of the mill type prospect.


Kirby was also a couple years older than Stokes is now when he put up those A ball numbers. Stokes is only 21, and is holding his own at AA. He may not be a top 10-type prospect, but he's no slouch either.


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Posted: August 25, 2017, 10:22 AM Post
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Erceg has 7BB in his last 5 games to bring him to a total of 32 on the season. His numbers for August are .289/.379/.447. Hopefully he can keep this up the rest of the season.


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Posted: August 25, 2017, 10:43 AM Post
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I noticed his BB rate improving as well. Nice to see him having more success as he swings at better pitches.


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And That said:
Baseball America has updated their organizational rankings and the Brewers drop all the way to...

8th.

I'd have to break out my abacus, but that still does not appear to be "lower half."


Bernie Pleskoff has the Brewers in the lower half... of the top 3 organizations.


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Posted: September 03, 2017, 4:43 PM Post
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Clearly this Pleskoff guy did not look at batting averages!


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 6:27 AM Post
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And That said:
And That said:
Baseball America has updated their organizational rankings and the Brewers drop all the way to...

8th.

I'd have to break out my abacus, but that still does not appear to be "lower half."


Bernie Pleskoff has the Brewers in the lower half... of the top 3 organizations.


It's not offensive prospects that have the Brewers in top 10 of most lists. It's almost all pitching. They've had a number of guys take big steps forward this year offsetting some less than stellar work by their hitters.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 7:08 AM Post
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Yet Bernie Pleskoff only mentions the hitters.


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Well when we miss a playoff spot this season by one or two games because Stearns refused to trade from our minor league depth, Brewer fans can at least take solace in the fact that the Brewers still have the 8th best farm system in baseball instead of say...the 15th.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 9:53 AM Post
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Interesting that just about all the guys promoted from Carolina to Biloxi this year did better at Biloxi, even (and perhaps especially) the pitchers.


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A Swing and A Drive said:
Well when we miss a playoff spot this season by one or two games because Stearns refused to trade from our minor league depth, Brewer fans can at least take solace in the fact that the Brewers still have the 8th best farm system in baseball instead of say...the 15th.


The big additions for the Cubs were Quintana and Wilson. Quintana has been exactly who he was for the White Sox, a 4.50 ERA pitcher.

Wilson has been terrible. Almost a walk an inning and a 2 WHIP. 5.56 ERA.

Curious as to who we missed out on that would have been such a positive impact so far or helped the offense score more runs.


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