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Posted: May 04, 2018, 5:24 PM Post
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simple solution- swap Perez/Sogard for Orf/Dubon. although you'd be giving up experience, particularly if we're still contending the 2nd half, i think you would gain much more by giving those guys some MLB time earlier than later. I think at a minimum the younger duo matches the incumbents output offensively (albeit in different ways- lose some power in Perez, gain some OB% in Orf), positional flexibility (together, they cover all of the same positions), and defense (Dubon is probably slightly better at SS than Sogard, but Perez is probably slightly better at 2B/3B than Orf). At most though you give them a chance to get their feet wet for next year, especially for Dubon who has much more upside than all three of those guys and might challenge Villar at 2B, depending on what Villar shows this year. In addition, there is also a likely chance that one or both Perez/Sogard could be traded for some assets like rookie level lottery tickets, international pool money, or some AAAA relief depth. Whether it comes this season or not- by the start of next year i hope to see this switch.


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Posted: May 09, 2018, 8:15 AM Post
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Looks like Orf got the start at SS last night. Possibly testing his versatility since we seem to only care about how many defensive positions someone can play?


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Posted: May 09, 2018, 8:43 AM Post
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We have Arcia and Perez for SS, with Villar having plenty of experience there and can fill in if needed. The upside of Orf at 2b over Villar/Perez/Franklin/whomever far outweighs the downside of slightly worse defense on the occasional offday for Arcia.


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Posted: May 09, 2018, 11:37 AM Post
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This whole thread reminds me of the days when many of the "forward thinkers" here were trying to persuade the level headed minority that Taylor Green was going to be the next Brooks Robinson. Nate Orf at his absolute best is lightening in a bottle for a few weeks. At worst, he's AAAA which is the most likely outcome.

The problem on this team to this point of the season has been the sum of the parts. There's really no need to heap the offensive ineptitude on one position.


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Posted: May 09, 2018, 2:09 PM Post
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This whole thread reminds me of the days when many of the "forward thinkers" here were trying to persuade the level headed minority that Taylor Green was going to be the next Brooks Robinson.

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Posted: May 09, 2018, 5:26 PM Post
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My prediction is just like last year with Garrett Cooper, a team in contention is going go value Orf and offer Stearns an arm that will make 4 or 5 forgetful appearances in a Brewer uniform and never be heard from again. Meanwhile Orf will go on to become a useful player in the big leagues for the next 4 or 5 seasons.


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Posted: May 09, 2018, 6:43 PM Post
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What's Garrett Cooper doing these days?


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Posted: May 09, 2018, 8:38 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
My prediction is just like last year with Garrett Cooper, a team in contention is going go value Orf and offer Stearns an arm that will make 4 or 5 forgetful appearances in a Brewer uniform and never be heard from again. Meanwhile Orf will go on to become a useful player in the big leagues for the next 4 or 5 seasons.

Exactly, both Orf and Wren should be included in that prediction. Neither will appear in a regular season game for the Brewers because they don't swing for the fences everytime they're at bat. Clearly, they do not fit in with this organizations profile of a productive major leaguer.
Cooper was the Marlins opening day right fielder, went on the 60 day DL with a wrist injury shortly after.


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Posted: May 09, 2018, 8:39 PM Post
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What's Garrett Cooper doing these days?

He made the Marlins roster to start the season, but was injured and hasn't come off the DL.


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Posted: May 10, 2018, 5:58 AM Post
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reillymcshane said:
Brew4U said:
What's Garrett Cooper doing these days?

He made the Marlins roster to start the season, but was injured and hasn't come off the DL.


He was their opening day RF after a strong spring, got hit by a pitch in the wrist in the opening series against the Cubs (he's currently on the 60 day DL to make roster space) and is expected back at the end of May.

Orf update: He's now 22 for 45 in his last 10 games and is hitting .364 on the road. I don't care what level or where he's playing, those would be good numbers off a batting practice pitcher.

Here's my favorite Orf stat: With RISP, he's 15 for 27 (.556) and has a line of .556/.588/.852 for an OPS of 1.4440, It's incredible that with the big club struggling to score runs almost every night that they can dismiss numbers like that.


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Posted: May 10, 2018, 8:07 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
reillymcshane said:
Brew4U said:
What's Garrett Cooper doing these days?

He made the Marlins roster to start the season, but was injured and hasn't come off the DL.


He was their opening day RF after a strong spring, got hit by a pitch in the wrist in the opening series against the Cubs (he's currently on the 60 day DL to make roster space) and is expected back at the end of May.

Orf update: He's now 22 for 45 in his last 10 games and is hitting .364 on the road. I don't care what level or where he's playing, those would be good numbers off a batting practice pitcher.

Here's my favorite Orf stat: With RISP, he's 15 for 27 (.556) and has a line of .556/.588/.852 for an OPS of 1.4440, It's incredible that with the big club struggling to score runs almost every night that they can dismiss numbers like that.


but...but... but... that's because he plays in Colorado Springs! I am so sick of that justification for not promoting Orf or Wren. If CS has that kind of effect why isn't Broxton batting .400? Oh that's right, you have to actually make contact first before the CS effect comes into play!
There is no reason other than complete incompetence for keeping Orf or Wren down! Phillips should be playing everyday at CS. Wren is exactly the type of 4th outfielder teams should have off their bench. Can play all three positions, has speed and makes contact, but since he's not a "3TO" type of player that most posters here have man crushes for, we are left we pinch hitters who simply cannot put the ball in play and are usually walking back to the dugout with their head down after striking out and everyone complains about "missed opportunities".
As far as Orf is concerned, your stats speak for themselves, he should have been the first one called up after the true Sogard showed himself. Instead, we get a steady diet of Perez, Franklin, and now, Saladino. For the record, despite himself, Villar should be starting everyday.
I have heard all the excuses, it's CS, it's lack of experience, the stat guys pointing out every number that they can find to justify why these two are not good enough of being on the roster, it's a 40 man numbers thing. The best one was, "if they were so good, they should have been chosen during rule 5, and since they weren't they are just not worthy of being in the majors."
The problem with Orf and Wren is they are just not "sexy" players. They are not going to human highlight reels, they are not going to hit tape measure home runs and nobody is going to buy a ticket to the game because they are playing. They are just the type of players that this team needs and to be honest, the type of players that the Cardinals always trot out and beat us over the head with.
Both Orf and Wren don't "DESERVE" to be promoted, they have "EARNED" it!


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Posted: May 10, 2018, 8:10 AM Post
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reillymcshane said:
Brew4U said:
What's Garrett Cooper doing these days?

He made the Marlins roster to start the season, but was injured and hasn't come off the DL.


So basically Cooper is back on a AA caliber roster...good for him!


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Posted: June 09, 2018, 8:32 PM Post
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Orf has really been scuffling since what many of us perceived to be his near callup when Sogard went down. Nothing horrible, just nothing impressive for Colorado Springs anymore.

From a human standpoint, I stop and wonder how devastating that is to get oh so close to a callup and fall just short of the bigs, especially for a late 20s guy.

Of course, none of us know how close he really was. But the point is, he may never be as close again as he was.

I try not to forget, that while the best of the best at baseball are living it up making millions, there's many more than spend the younger part of their lives that make poverty wages and will leave this period of life with nothing to show for it.

Not to stay on my soapbox long, and I'm not trying to argue that MiLB wages should compare with MLB-- certainly, there should be motivation to achieve the pinnacle of your profession, but goodness, can a multi-billion dollar corporation at least find a way to pay all its professional players at the poverty level in the next CBA?


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Posted: June 10, 2018, 6:12 PM Post
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Good post adambr2. At the height of the “free Orf” movement I noticed he was pretty much “liking” every tweet mentioning that he should be in the majors. I feel bad for him in the sense that he seemingly produced well enough over a long enough period of time to at least get a shot at the major league level. At this point it doesn’t appear overly likely his call-up will happen with the Brewers this season. I would be happy for him to get an opportunity with a different organization either later this year or next year.


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Posted: June 10, 2018, 9:11 PM Post
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Moore and Hager are out-hitting him. Orf is like the vast majority of players, never making it to MLB. He's not special, no right to expect to make it.


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Posted: June 10, 2018, 10:18 PM Post
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I feel like it should be noted Nate Orf has always been old for his level (debuted in his 23 year old season). The only time he was not at the average age or higher was his short time at AAA in 2016 where he was complete garbage outside of Colorado.

He is like a lot of other guys who start out as an old guy in rookie ball. He puts up solid numbers his entire career, but then again he probably should if you are 23 in rookie ball.

I hope he eventually gets his chance, because many guys like him seem to get a shot. However, pretty understandable why he has not.


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Posted: June 11, 2018, 6:22 PM Post
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His slump seemed to coincide with the acquisition of Saladino. I wonder if that left him feeling demotivated, like he's given his best but still didn't get an opportunity.


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Posted: June 12, 2018, 6:37 AM Post
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His slump seemed to coincide with the acquisition of Saladino. I wonder if that left him feeling demotivated, like he's given his best but still didn't get an opportunity.


If he's that sensitive, I don't want him anywhere near the majors.

Orf has one tool - a decent single hitter. He is average to below average in every other facet of the game. Granted, hitting for average is important, but unless he can hit for a very high average in a hitter's paradise at AAA, he isn't going to see the majors. He's basically a AAAA guy at this point, but is also the type that would eventually end up with the Cardinals, and proceed to hit .315 out of their #2 hole for the next 5 years.


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Posted: June 12, 2018, 7:24 AM Post
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Orf has really been scuffling since what many of us perceived to be his near callup when Sogard went down. Nothing horrible, just nothing impressive for Colorado Springs anymore.

From a human standpoint, I stop and wonder how devastating that is to get oh so close to a callup and fall just short of the bigs, especially for a late 20s guy.

Of course, none of us know how close he really was. But the point is, he may never be as close again as he was.

I try not to forget, that while the best of the best at baseball are living it up making millions, there's many more than spend the younger part of their lives that make poverty wages and will leave this period of life with nothing to show for it.

Not to stay on my soapbox long, and I'm not trying to argue that MiLB wages should compare with MLB-- certainly, there should be motivation to achieve the pinnacle of your profession, but goodness, can a multi-billion dollar corporation at least find a way to pay all its professional players at the poverty level in the next CBA?


If this is a CBA issue, then wouldn't the responsibility actually fall on the players and their representation to negotiate better conditions for the minor league players?


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Posted: June 12, 2018, 7:42 AM Post
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JosephC said:
If this is a CBA issue, then wouldn't the responsibility actually fall on the players and their representation to negotiate better conditions for the minor league players?

Most minor league players are not represented by the MLBPA. It's not in the MLBPA's interests to cash in bargaining power on players it doesn't represent.


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