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Posted: July 08, 2018, 9:35 AM Post
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Here's a list of the Brewers' players eligible for Rule 5 this fall.

The list below does not include those eligible for minor league free agency, which is linked separately here.

Alphabetical within current level.

COLORADO SPRINGS:

RHP Tristan Archer
RHP Bubba Derby
INF Jake Hager
UT Nate Orf
LHP Quintin-Torres-Costa
RHP Dan Reynolds

BILOXI:

IF Blake Allemand
SS Luis Aviles, Jr.
1B Jake Gatewood
RHP Preston Gainey
RHP Nate Griep
RHP Conor Harber
LHP Brad Kuntz
C Carlos Leal (currently on suspended list)
C Max McDowell
RHP Jon Olczak
RHP Cody Ponce
RHP Tyler Spurlin
OF Troy Stokes, Jr.
RHP Trey Supak
OF Dillon Thomas

CAROLINA:

RHP Rodrigo Benoit
RHP Phil Bickford
RHP Nattino Diplan
LHP Jake Drossner
RHP Alec Kenilvort
LHP Nathan Kirby
IF Tucker Neuhaus
RHP Jorge Ortega (would normally be a minor league free agent, but signed a deal through 2019 as he was rehabbing Tommy John)
LHP Drake Owenby
LHP Angel Perdomo
RHP Wuilder Rodriguez
OF Joantgel Segovia
LHP Christian Trent
RHP Josh Uhen
RHP Devin Williams

WISCONSIN:

OF Jay Feliciano
RHP Nelson Hernandez
RHP Carlos Herrera
RHP Christian Meister
RHP Michael Petersen
OF Nic Pierre

HELENA / MARYVALE:

RHP Jesus Brea
RHP Carlos Luna
IF Julio Mendez


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Posted: July 08, 2018, 10:28 AM Post
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Definites to protect:
Torres-Costa
Medeiros
Ortiz
Supak

Maybe:
Derby
Gatewood
Perrin
Ponce
Stokes
Bickford
Kirby
Segovia
D Williams
Lara

Below Bickford on the list above, the players have value, but would any MLB team commit to putting them on the 25-man roster for a full season?


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Posted: July 08, 2018, 11:37 AM Post
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I agree with the first three, but is Supak worth protecting? Maybe I’ve overlooked him, but he’s not someone I would consider taking. Of Kirby, Bickford, Ponce, and Gatewood, I’d imagine teams would only be interested in Bickford’s stuff enough to stash for an entire season. With big 2018 seasons, all could be in play for that year’s rule 5 draft


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Posted: July 08, 2018, 11:40 AM Post
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It's likely that Devin Williams will be protected if he's healthy through the end of the year.

McDowell will be considered. He’s a special defensive catcher with offensive upside remaining.

I feel as though people are completely glossing over the season Jon Olczak has had. His curve is nasty.


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Posted: July 08, 2018, 12:56 PM Post
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Not sure how many spots will be open, but if I were to force rank them - with the caveat that it's easier to hide pitchers, especially lefties, than position players on a 25-man roster:

Ortiz
Medeiros
Supak
Kirby
QTC (this is the end of the "must-protect" list)
Ponce
D. Williams
Derby
Stokes
Bickford
Perrin
Gatewood
Harber

No way they'll have that many spaces available. Would be nice to package a few of the borderline guys in a trade; better than losing them. With so many bad teams this year I think a few more Rule 5 guys will be kept next year than usual.

If I were DS I'd offer two of anyone on that list between Derby and Harber in front of the Rays and see if that could rent Ramos.


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Posted: July 08, 2018, 6:54 PM Post
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Yeah. I'm reluctant to trade prospects for rentals but we can't keep all these guys. At best, I think we could open up 5 spots to protect players.

The players I would keep: Ortiz, Medeiros, Kirby, QTC, Supak
Maybe's: Ponce, Bickford, D. Williams, Derby, Stokes, Perrin, Gatewood, J.Segovia

We will lose many of these if they are not protected.

Hopefully Stearns can make a trade using quantity vs. quality with a focus on reducing the 40 man crunch. He could also trade some of J. Lopez, Barnes, Broxton, Diplan, Houser, Phillips, Santana, or Woodruff without hurting the major league team much.

I'd hate to lose Hiura, Burnes and F. Peralta but other than that I'm open to trading any of the above.


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I can’t think of one reason why we would even consider Gilbert Lara. He has been complete trash and has shown little to nothing. Even past that he would never last an entire year on an MLB roster. He is closer to flat out being released than sniffing the 40 man roster.


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Posted: July 08, 2018, 7:57 PM Post
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There are four obvious spots, replacing Orf, Asher, Kratz, and possibly Wilkerson. Stearns likes having a 40-man spot or two for general flexibility, and what happens if they need a third MLB catcher in 2019? A few moves are needed.


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Posted: July 09, 2018, 11:23 AM Post
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Keep:
Stokes
Meideros
Supak
Diplan
Quintin-Torres-Costa

Drop:
Asher
Kratz
Albers
Wilkerson
[Assume Broxton, Arcia, and Ortiz depart via trade]


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Posted: July 12, 2018, 6:29 AM Post
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Are the rules different for foreign players? I assume less years of protection?? - someone could take (not that they would) a 20/21 year old Carlos Herrera?


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Posted: July 12, 2018, 6:33 AM Post
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clancyphile said:
Drop:
Asher
Kratz
Albers
Wilkerson
[Assume Broxton, Arcia, and Ortiz depart via trade]


Albers is signed for two years. I don't see him leaving.


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Posted: July 12, 2018, 6:34 AM Post
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Roderick said:
How do the rules work for foreign players? I assume less years of protection evidently - someone could take (not that they would) a 20/21 year old Carlos Herrera?


It doesn't matter where the player is from. I believe it's all about how many minor league seasons they have accrued. You are going to see younger players from Latin America on the list because a lot of those guys typically sign their first pro contracts at 16-17 years old.


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Posted: July 12, 2018, 6:36 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Roderick said:
How do the rules work for foreign players? I assume less years of protection evidently - someone could take (not that they would) a 20/21 year old Carlos Herrera?


It doesn't matter where the player is from. I believe it's all about how many minor league seasons they have accrued. You are going to see younger players from Latin America on the list because a lot of those guys typically sign their first pro contracts at 16-17 years old.


So DSL seasons count towards the eligibility or just stateside seasons?

Or the seasons don't matter, it is just counting time from the professional contract signing?


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Posted: July 12, 2018, 6:41 AM Post
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Roderick said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Roderick said:
How do the rules work for foreign players? I assume less years of protection evidently - someone could take (not that they would) a 20/21 year old Carlos Herrera?


It doesn't matter where the player is from. I believe it's all about how many minor league seasons they have accrued. You are going to see younger players from Latin America on the list because a lot of those guys typically sign their first pro contracts at 16-17 years old.


So DSL seasons count towards the eligibility or just stateside seasons?

Or the seasons don't matter, it is just counting time from the professional contract signing?


Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and:

were 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming; or
were 19 or older on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fourth Rule 5 draft upcoming.


Yes, it goes from when they signed their first pro contract.


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Posted: July 12, 2018, 8:10 AM Post
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I feel like because the rule is 5 years no matter what you see too many DSL guys promoted too quickly through the system and this leads to our lower minors (Helena, Wisconsin) littered with too many guys from the island who can't hit and random relief pitchers.

Also, off the top of my head, I can't really think of many if any success stories of guys we've signed and devoloped into major leaguers from the DSL since re-opening the academy. Arcia is the only one I can think of and he seems to fit the profile of guy from the island who can't hit.


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Posted: July 12, 2018, 9:19 PM Post
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My first thought was, our system could be pillaged this offseason even with protecting a few guys. Then when you realize there are only 20 or so guys drafted in the MLB rule 5 and most of those are returned by the end of spring training and only 3 or 4 actually have any chance of sticking with their team long enough to be kept, it doesn't really concern me too much. Kodi and QTC are the only ones I could really see being drafted and lost as they could fill a LOOGY role without messing too much with a team's 25 man makeup.


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Posted: July 13, 2018, 7:10 AM Post
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jerichoholicninja said:
My first thought was, our system could be pillaged this offseason even with protecting a few guys. Then when you realize there are only 20 or so guys drafted in the MLB rule 5 and most of those are returned by the end of spring training and only 3 or 4 actually have any chance of sticking with their team long enough to be kept, it doesn't really concern me too much. Kodi and QTC are the only ones I could really see being drafted and lost as they could fill a LOOGY role without messing too much with a team's 25 man makeup.

Not sure I would say that, considering we lost Miguel Diaz to the Padres and he was not even that highly rated in our system. He was in low A at the time he was drafted. I'd say anyone in our top 25 prospects not protected could be picked and lost. Ortiz for sure would be picked. A team could use the max DL time for him to limit how much he is exposed to the majors. Supak is in AA and pitching well. The trio of talented but injured pitchers (Kirby, D. Williams, Bickford) could be stashed in the back end of a bullpen. Derby, Perrin, Ponce could make a ML bullpen as well. Stokes and Segovia could be 4th OFs with real upside. Gatewood is probably less likely but you never know.

We have 43 players on our 40 man roster (including 60 DL). Miley, Kratz, Vogt, Franklin, Asher, Orf, and Wilkerson would get it down to 36. I think we could clear 2 more spots by waiving a U IF like Perez/Miller/Villar/Saladino and another RP like J.Lopez. Those last two would be much more painful but I would do it to keep a guy like Supak or Stokes. So, I have 12 guys and possibly Gatewood that could be taken and only 6 spots available. They all wont be taken but unless we make a trade or two, we could lose a few guys in the draft.


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Posted: July 13, 2018, 9:00 AM Post
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Would they consider trying to find spots for guys like Medeiros and Torres-Costa before September 1st? Since they'll need to be added after the season anyway it won't hurt to do it early if you have space, and then they could be nice bullpen adds to the MLB roster in September.


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Posted: July 13, 2018, 9:15 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
Would they consider trying to find spots for guys like Medeiros and Torres-Costa before September 1st? Since they'll need to be added after the season anyway it won't hurt to do it early if you have space, and then they could be nice bullpen adds to the MLB roster in September.


Melvin never really did this much. There is the cost for each player for a month (est $100,000 extra), so if you are adding 5-6 players it starts adding up. Also, I think a factor was the risk the player gets hurt and then he is getting paid and earning service time.

Wasn't it last year that they wanted CS to have players for the playoffs? Seems like we only called up Taylor Williams and later Wilkerson. Seems like we could have added another guy or two - so maybe Stearns thinks the same way as Melvin.


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Posted: July 27, 2018, 10:09 AM Post
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First 5 on your list are the ones I would protect. Would hate to lose Kirby/Bickford just to see what they become, but figuring there's a pretty good chance neither get picked up. Ponce, Perrin, Derby,Williams I would have kept at the beginning of this season now I wouldn't lose any sleep over them.


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