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Posted: June 05, 2019, 6:21 PM Post
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Eye Black said:
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New BA Top 100 list sees Hiura at 17 and drumroll...

Brice Turang at 100.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/ranking ... prospects/

Someone must have graduated off the list today because Hiura is now up to #16 and Turang listed at #99. Moving on up!


I was curious how many 2018 draftees made the updated BA Top 100 list, so here you go...

12. Casey Mize (#1 pick)
18. Joey Bart (#2 pick)
30. Jarred Kelenic (#6 pick)
39. Jonathan India (#5 pick)
42. Nolan Gorman (#19 pick)
43. Alec Bohm (#3 pick)
47. Matthew Liberatore (#16 pick)
48. Jordan Groshans (#12 pick)
50. Nico Hoerner (#24 pick)
56. Nick Madrigal (#4 pick)
57. Brady Singer (#18 pick)
64. Grayson Rodriguez (#11 pick)
76. Ryan Weathers (#7 pick)
94. Daniel Lynch (#34 pick)
96. Trevor Larnach (#20 pick)
99. Brice Turang (#21 pick)
100. Triston Casas (#26 pick)

So 17 of last year’s selections made the top 100, only three were drafted after the Brewers selection at #21 (Hoerner to Cubs, Lynch to Royals, Casas to Red Sox).

The highest pick that signed and began their professional career from the 2018 MLB draft to not make the top 100 is Travis Swaggerty (#10 pick) taken by the Pirates. Two higher selections weren’t ranked, but for obvious reasons, Carter Stewart (#8 pick) was unsigned and Kyler Murray (#9 pick) was the first overall pick in the NFL draft.

Obviously when this year’s draftees are eventually added some of these players will likely be pushed to just outside the top 100.


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Posted: June 08, 2019, 6:29 PM Post
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http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.


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Posted: June 08, 2019, 8:09 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.


And why is Rasmussen not one of the top 10-20 pitchers?


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Posted: June 09, 2019, 5:02 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.


It's still the preseason rankings, minus the players who have graduated and having them replaced by the ones ranked #101 and up.


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Posted: June 09, 2019, 5:47 AM Post
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Lathund said:
adambr2 said:
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.


It's still the preseason rankings, minus the players who have graduated and having them replaced by the ones ranked #101 and up.


Yeah, that would explain Ray's ranking, no way is he top 100 midseason. Does give us a good idea where they value Turang, though. I'd expect him around #80 midseason or higher.


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Posted: June 10, 2019, 2:02 PM Post
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I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.


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Posted: June 19, 2019, 2:17 PM Post
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I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.


The updated listing is out (for mlb pipeline)...
https://www.mlb.com/news/updated-top-10 ... -june-2019

Hiura = #12
Turang = #93

No other Brewers listed in top 100..


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Posted: June 19, 2019, 3:50 PM Post
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madtownhawk said:
I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.


My guess is that Rasmussen isn't even close to the top 100 if you ask the guys that put these lists together. Vastly overrated on here. The minor leagues are glorified practice but still, not many top 100 guys get shelled to the tune of 11 runs in 10IP at any given stretch in a year.


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Posted: June 19, 2019, 5:16 PM Post
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madtownhawk said:
I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.


My guess is that Rasmussen isn't even close to the top 100 if you ask the guys that put these lists together. Vastly overrated on here. The minor leagues are glorified practice but still, not many top 100 guys get shelled to the tune of 11 runs in 10IP at any given stretch in a year.



Absolutely neither of these things are true...at ALL. The idea that Minor league baseball is glorified practice is just absolutely ridiculous, so too is the idea that because a pitcher gave up 11 ER's in 10 IP they wouldn't end up on the top 100 list. Check out Forrest Whiteley's line for the season. His ERA is over 12 in glorified practice! He should just be waived! [rolling eyes] [rolling eyes] And Dylan Cease just gave up 4 or 5 ER's in 2/3rd of an inning! Yank him off that list. His stuff, the totality of his work, none of it matters. He had a bad stretch! And...get this. He's got an ERA over 4.3 in AAA. I guess that's two of the games best pitching prospects who shouldn't be on the list.

Rasmussen likely didn't make the list because it's too small of a sample size. Most people aren't going to put a guy among the top 100 prospects after two years out after 2 years and just 40 innings. I think it's kinda almost cute you think it's because you can find the guys worst 10 inning stretch after moving up 3 levels in a few months and use that as your reasoning why. If Rasmussen stays healthy and continues pitching this way for the rest of the year, he'll likely be a top 100 prospect.

His stuff is as good as just about anyone in the minors.


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Posted: June 20, 2019, 4:36 AM Post
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madtownhawk said:
I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.


The updated listing is out (for mlb pipeline)...
https://www.mlb.com/news/updated-top-10 ... -june-2019

Hiura = #12
Turang = #93

No other Brewers listed in top 100..


Worth noting it's not the actual "proper" midseason ranking, it's mainly just reordering within the existing list. A complete reranking, including draft picks, is due in about a month.


As for Rasmussen, I don't imagine he'll be on any top 100 lists even midseason, it's simply still too soon after such a long time out, and probably would be even if he was even better than he has been so far. But he's someone who will be on the mind of prospect writers, and if he proves his health will very much be in consideration for the next one.


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Posted: July 06, 2019, 8:20 AM Post
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THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.


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Posted: July 06, 2019, 8:36 AM Post
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THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.


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Posted: July 06, 2019, 10:46 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.


Too numerous to mention. But I’ll give you a couple, Houser and Rasmussen.

Houser’s already making a name for himself on the crew’s big league staff, Rasmussen’s had a meteoric rise up the ladder to AA, and has the arsenal of a Tor or dominant pen arm. Look for Devon Williams at some point later this year to make his debut with the crew in the pen, with his near 100 mph FB. You should get a opportunity to watch him pitch in the futures game coming up.

Tremendous depth of pitching all the way from The 2 Arizona rookie league teams thru AAA.

Don’t sleep on this pitching.


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Posted: July 06, 2019, 11:31 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
monkeyman343434 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.


Too numerous to mention. But I’ll give you a couple, Houser and Rasmussen.

Houser’s already making a name for himself on the crew’s big league staff, Rasmussen’s had a meteoric rise up the ladder to AA, and has the arsenal of a Tor or dominant pen arm. Look for Devon Williams at some point later this year to make his debut with the crew in the pen, with his near 100 mph FB. You should get a opportunity to watch him pitch in the futures game coming up.

Tremendous depth of pitching all the way from The 2 Arizona rookie league teams thru AAA.

Don’t sleep on this pitching.

Few things on this, after I say that, I agree that as a whole the farm system and the pitching prospects specifically are underrated.

First of all, Houser and Woodruff are not considered part of the system any more (for both you and monkeyman) so I don’t think they should be brought up in discussions regarding the farm system...

Second, I think your propensity for hyperbole is why people tend to get into so many arguments with you. We all love Rasmussen but not every pitcher with good stuff has a great chance to be an ace, it just doesn’t work like that.

And lastly, it’s Devin Williams not Devon...


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Posted: July 06, 2019, 11:37 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
monkeyman343434 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.


Too numerous to mention. But I’ll give you a couple, Houser and Rasmussen.

Houser’s already making a name for himself on the crew’s big league staff, Rasmussen’s had a meteoric rise up the ladder to AA, and has the arsenal of a Tor or dominant pen arm. Look for Devon Williams at some point later this year to make his debut with the crew in the pen, with his near 100 mph FB. You should get a opportunity to watch him pitch in the futures game coming up.

Tremendous depth of pitching all the way from The 2 Arizona rookie league teams thru AAA.

Don’t sleep on this pitching.


Let me play devil's advocate to your extreme optimism. Houser is 26 and probably not regarded as a prospect by anyone and certainly not thought of as a potentially game changing pitcher. It's nice to see what Rasmussen has done in a short period of time but the ceiling kind of caved in for an extended stretch in AA. He's exactly where he should be and probably should start there next year...next year being his age 25 season. The Devin Williams story is a nice one but velocity isn't everything and he's a potential back end of the pen type guy, at very best. An unfortunate bi-product of Josh Hader's success has been that many on this board now are looking for the "next Hader." Finally, I think we may need to differentiate between "tremendous depth" and "tremendous impact depth" because I don't see alot of impact right now. That's not a death sentence for what's there it's just saying that there aren't alot of guys that have proven anything.


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Brew crew 92 said:
monkeyman343434 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.


Too numerous to mention. But I’ll give you a couple, Houser and Rasmussen.

Houser’s already making a name for himself on the crew’s big league staff, Rasmussen’s had a meteoric rise up the ladder to AA, and has the arsenal of a Tor or dominant pen arm. Look for Devon Williams at some point later this year to make his debut with the crew in the pen, with his near 100 mph FB. You should get a opportunity to watch him pitch in the futures game coming up.

Tremendous depth of pitching all the way from The 2 Arizona rookie league teams thru AAA.

Don’t sleep on this pitching.

That's not an answer. Anybody in rookie ball is immediately disqualified because they're several years away from knowing what any of them could be. Which leaves us with 4 teams rosters to choose from. There aren't many names you can possibly list and you're choosing not to do it.

For me, the only for sure MLB arms in the system are Brown, Wahl, Supak, Rasmussen, Devin, Ponce, Ashby and half of them are pen arms. I think Ponce gets traded this month anyway and Devin very well could as well. Houser is a pen arm (and no longer a prospect). Small hasn't thrown a pro pitch yet. Bickford I'm just happy he's still breathing. Kirby is injured again.

Then there's a bunch of dudes at every level we still have no idea how it'll play out - Sanchez, Derby, Webb, File, Marcos Diplan, Lemons, Bettinger, Griep, Barker, Clayton Andrews, Lazar, Hill, etc. Most of these guys will probably never see the MLB level.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 8:49 AM Post
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I’m getting tired of hearing with absolute certainty that Houser is a pen arm > Hogwash!

The brewers think your wrong and so do I.

If your right, and those 7 you listed are mlb pitchers, that’s 6 that could be added in the next year and a half, since they are all at AA or AAA, except Ashby, who’s arguably one of our top 2 pitching prospects and could if all goes just right, also make the big club within said time frame. You just made my argument.

Most teams would be ecstatic to add 7 mlb pitchers to their staff in two, even if it was 3 years.


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What I said was: Rasmussen has the ARSENAL of a Tor, not that he would be an ace.

Your right about the hyperbole, that’s my middle name. I can’t help myself. When people sandbag so much here on this site, I can’t help my non-tempered true thoughts from coming out, although I can say I’ve gotten better on that front lately, even if only slightly.

Toby says it’s underrated, especially on the pitching side, then people should just know that it is, and not pay a whole lot of attention to publications ratings.


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A relatively newer digital publication came out with their midseason top 100 prospect list (ranked in terms of fantasy baseball value)...

Prospects Live: Top 100 Midseason Fantasy Prospects for 2019

This list is written from the lens of fantasy baseball value, but is interesting to read through if you want to learn about a handful of players that haven’t appeared on the other more traditional midseason top 100 list. With the fantasy baseball tie-in the list skews more heavily towards stat based production. It also includes 2019 draftees.

They include two players within the Brewers organization...

5. Keston Hiura, 2B (MIL) - Coming into the season many viewed Hiura as possessing one of the best hit tools in the minors, but it’s his power gains that have been the story in 2019. Likely up in Milwaukee for good, Hiura has made loads of hard contact but has also been aggressive at the plate. Previous Rank: 9.

88. Trent Grisham, OF (MIL) - One of 2019’s biggest popup prospects, Grisham is back on the prospect map after his tremendous success in Double-A and now Triple-A. The 22-year-old is hitting .259/.370/.517 on the year and if you remove a very slow April, he’s up to .271/.393/.568. Since May 1 he’s walked more than he’s struck out and has shown great power (.296 ISO and top 10% in AAA flyball distance). If you want to knock him it’s that he’s slightly pull heavy so he’ll have to fight against the shift. But we’re drooling about the thought of a power lefty bat in Miller Park. Go and grab him if he’s available. Previous Rank: None.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 7:12 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.



Turang. Also, despite Brew Crew 92's absurd level of optimism, you still have Burnes, Peralta, Rassmussen and several others with upside.

But Turang is the next elite prospect from this system.


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