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Posted: December 30, 2019, 1:16 AM Post
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AAA: Burnes, Peralta, Supak, Brown, Jankins
AA: Bettinger, File, Francis, Rasmussen, Zavalos
A+: Ashby, Small, Lazar, Bennett, Castaneda/Sunitsch
A: Jarvis, Olson, Kelly, Lindell, Walters, Luna, Lemons if he's ready

This seems like a ridiculous number of interesting names. I honestly do not remember the farm ever looking this interesting throughout. There really aren't any guys who look like inning eating MiLB forever bodies. Doesn't mean all of them work out but the fact that over 10 of them look promising and about 5 more look pen possible is pretty staggering.

DS seems to like to take bats 1st but the depth of arms in this organization is really impressive.


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Posted: December 30, 2019, 10:59 AM Post
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TJseven7 said:
AAA: Burnes, Peralta, Supak, Brown, Jankins
AA: Bettinger, File, Francis, Rasmussen, Zavalos
A+: Ashby, Small, Lazar, Bennett, Castaneda/Sunitsch
A: Jarvis, Olson, Kelly, Lindell, Walters, Luna, Lemons if he's ready

This seems like a ridiculous number of interesting names. I honestly do not remember the farm ever looking this interesting throughout. There really aren't any guys who look like inning eating MiLB forever bodies. Doesn't mean all of them work out but the fact that over 10 of them look promising and about 5 more look pen possible is pretty staggering.

DS seems to like to take bats 1st but the depth of arms in this organization is really impressive.


Could be just me but it would be really bad sign if Burnes & Peralta can’t make the 26 man roster on opening day. They should be past that point. Either make rotation or be in pen.


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Posted: December 30, 2019, 2:09 PM Post
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YoungGeezy1 said:
TJseven7 said:
AAA: Burnes, Peralta, Supak, Brown, Jankins
AA: Bettinger, File, Francis, Rasmussen, Zavalos
A+: Ashby, Small, Lazar, Bennett, Castaneda/Sunitsch
A: Jarvis, Olson, Kelly, Lindell, Walters, Luna, Lemons if he's ready

This seems like a ridiculous number of interesting names. I honestly do not remember the farm ever looking this interesting throughout. There really aren't any guys who look like inning eating MiLB forever bodies. Doesn't mean all of them work out but the fact that over 10 of them look promising and about 5 more look pen possible is pretty staggering.

DS seems to like to take bats 1st but the depth of arms in this organization is really impressive.


Could be just me but it would be really bad sign if Burnes & Peralta can’t make the 26 man roster on opening day. They should be past that point. Either make rotation or be in pen.


If the option is to have a so-so reliever versus have a guy ready in AAA that can start - I would send him to AAA (assuming the pen has other options). He can always come up later in the season and go in the pen, but I think it is important to have a guy stretched out. A call-up for non-performance is probably more likely than injury at this point. I don't see any options from the minor leaguers for any of the AA/AAA starting staff to be ready in May if need be. It isn't like the past where AA guys can come straight up, I think they need to get starts in AAA to get used to the ball before they can come up, that is my assumption at least.


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Posted: December 30, 2019, 6:21 PM Post
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TJseven7 said:
AAA: Burnes, Peralta, Supak, Brown, Jankins
AA: Bettinger, File, Francis, Rasmussen, Zavalos
A+: Ashby, Small, Lazar, Bennett, Castaneda/Sunitsch
A: Jarvis, Olson, Kelly, Lindell, Walters, Luna, Lemons if he's ready

This seems like a ridiculous number of interesting names. I honestly do not remember the farm ever looking this interesting throughout. There really aren't any guys who look like inning eating MiLB forever bodies. Doesn't mean all of them work out but the fact that over 10 of them look promising and about 5 more look pen possible is pretty staggering.

DS seems to like to take bats 1st but the depth of arms in this organization is really impressive.


Yeah... Zavalos, Ashby, Sunitsch, Small, Lazar, File, Burnes, Supak, Jankins, Brown, and Cam Roegner have all flashed dominance at times, and hopefully they can regain form.

Rasmussen's started, but I think he's better suited for a multi-inning fireman role. Lemons and Kelly may be fireballers out of the pen.


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Posted: December 30, 2019, 7:01 PM Post
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YoungGeezy1 said:

Could be just me but it would be really bad sign if Burnes & Peralta can’t make the 26 man roster on opening day. They should be past that point. Either make rotation or be in pen.


It's not that Burnes couldn't start the year in the pen. It's that Burnes has a good pitch mix and I'd prefer them to relegate him back to AAA like they did with Woodruff after his first taste of success. He needs to keep working towards being a starter. He has too many quality offerings to toss him straight into the pen and forget about the starter path. Last year, after the rough start I said they should send him to AAA to keep working as a starter and kiss him goodbye until 2021. I think starting him in the pen in 2020 is a bigger bad sign then starting him in AAA.

Peralta, even Hader do not have the same pitch profile so that decision was easy.


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Posted: January 08, 2020, 12:51 AM Post
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clancyphile said:
When looking at the farm system, many seem to believe the rankings too much. Quite frankly, there are many reasons for Brewers fans to have a lot optimism for the future.

For instance, Cooper Hummel is looking like the best offensive prospect nobody has heard of.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/redi ... _ID=669450

David Fry has been posting amazing offensive numbers - and showing versatility on the field.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/redi ... _ID=681807

Ryan Aguilar is a walk machine - who has put together the hitting, too.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/redi ... _ID=666922

Ernesto Wilson Martinez looks to be a huge power bat at first base:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... rtin004ern

Max Lazar looks like an ace in the making:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/redi ... _ID=676661

Drew Rasmussen is emerging as a potential fireman in the bullpen:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/redi ... _ID=656876

Clayton Andrews is a two-way player:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/redi ... _ID=677076

And in a small sample, Michael Mediavilla just dominated:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/redi ... _ID=656728

So, which players do the folks at Brewerfan.net think will break out and catch the rest of baseball by surprise?


Well I definitely feel less optimistic when the thread is lead off by Cooper Hummel, David Fry, and Ryan Aguilar


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Posted: January 09, 2020, 2:21 PM Post
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Well apparently Bleacher Report still feels the same about the Brewer system.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/286 ... rt-of-2020

At the end of the 2019 MiLB season the Brewers were 29th as well.

There were a few changes: Washington had been 27th & Boston was 30th.
Now Washington is 30th & Boston 28th.

This is all free content.

Here is who they (Bleacher Report/ Joel Reuter) have as the Brewer top 15 guys (10+ next 5).
Name Age Tier
1. SS Brice Turang 20 2
2. LHP Ethan Small 22 2
3. C Mario Feliciano 21 2
4. LHP Aaron Ashby 21 2
5. OF Tristen Lutz 21 3
6. RHP Drew Rasmussen 24 3
7. SS Eduardo Garcia 17 3
8. RHP Zack Brown 25 3
9. LHP Antoine Kelly 20 3
10. RHP Devin Williams 19 3
Next 5: OF Micah Bello, OF Corey Ray, OF Carlos Rodriguez, RHP Trey Supak, RHP Braden Webb

To Be Clear: I am not saying B/R is dead on accurate in their assessment. They have an opinion (at times well informed). I take their viewpoint and add it to the observations/ opinions of other places (Baseball America/ Baseball Prospectus/ Keith Law/ others) to get a more developed understanding.


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Posted: January 09, 2020, 10:28 PM Post
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If the Brewers supposedly are close to the bottom in minor league talent, then like the parent club, they have outperformed expectations/evaluations. According to Mad's counter, we had the 24th best record. Call it luck/ good management/whatever but when an organization top to bottom does better than people think they should, color me impressed.


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Posted: January 10, 2020, 8:59 AM Post
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MadThinker88 said:
Well apparently Bleacher Report still feels the same about the Brewer system.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/286 ... rt-of-2020

At the end of the 2019 MiLB season the Brewers were 29th as well.

There were a few changes: Washington had been 27th & Boston was 30th.
Now Washington is 30th & Boston 28th.

This is all free content.

Here is who they (Bleacher Report/ Joel Reuter) have as the Brewer top 15 guys (10+ next 5).
Name Age Tier
1. SS Brice Turang 20 2
2. LHP Ethan Small 22 2
3. C Mario Feliciano 21 2
4. LHP Aaron Ashby 21 2
5. OF Tristen Lutz 21 3
6. RHP Drew Rasmussen 24 3
7. SS Eduardo Garcia 17 3
8. RHP Zack Brown 25 3
9. LHP Antoine Kelly 20 3
10. RHP Devin Williams 19 3
Next 5: OF Micah Bello, OF Corey Ray, OF Carlos Rodriguez, RHP Trey Supak, RHP Braden Webb

To Be Clear: I am not saying B/R is dead on accurate in their assessment. They have an opinion (at times well informed). I take their viewpoint and add it to the observations/ opinions of other places (Baseball America/ Baseball Prospectus/ Keith Law/ others) is get a more developed understanding.


Look at the ages of the listed prospects on that list - that's what's exciting to me and also a pretty good reason why they are perceived to have a weak system. Their last top 15 overall draft pick from just 3 drafts ago (Hiura) has already played half a season in the majors and figures to be a middle of the order bat for years to come. Most of the prospects on this list haven't played enough to really establish what their ceiling might be as a MLBer, or are still too young to know for certain.

Had the Brewers' likely Opening Day 2B (Hiura) and SS (Urias) been eligible for this list, their system ranking is probably in the top half of MLB - but because of timing and the fact the Brewers seem to be adept at pushing prospects and young players who are ready to contribute at the MLB level through the system rapidly (See Hiura, Burnes and Peralta in 2018, Woodruff and Hader in 2017, even Arcia back in 2016), they tend to suppress their own system's rankings by not having these guys spend a ton of time dominating in AA-AAA and blowing up prospect tracking blogs before breaking into the bigs.

Yes, their system could use a few impact prospects - but that could easily still happen with the players they already have taking a big step in development. I'd rather see the low ranking with this group of players whose average age is at or below the legal drinking limit than a low ranking headlined by a bunch of 24-26 year old AAA'ers who hit a bunch of homers in hitter-friendly parks.


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Posted: January 10, 2020, 9:23 AM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
Look at the ages of the listed prospects on that list - that's what's exciting to me and also a pretty good reason why they are perceived to have a weak system. Their last top 15 overall draft pick from just 3 drafts ago (Hiura) has already played half a season in the majors and figures to be a middle of the order bat for years to come. Most of the prospects on this list haven't played enough to really establish what their ceiling might be as a MLBer, or are still too young to know for certain.

Had the Brewers' likely Opening Day 2B (Hiura) and SS (Urias) been eligible for this list, their system ranking is probably in the top half of MLB - but because of timing and the fact the Brewers seem to be adept at pushing prospects and young players who are ready to contribute at the MLB level through the system rapidly (See Hiura, Burnes and Peralta in 2018, Woodruff and Hader in 2017, even Arcia back in 2016), they tend to suppress their own system's rankings by not having these guys spend a ton of time dominating in AA-AAA and blowing up prospect tracking blogs before breaking into the bigs.

Yes, their system could use a few impact prospects - but that could easily still happen with the players they already have taking a big step in development. I'd rather see the low ranking with this group of players whose average age is at or below the legal drinking limit than a low ranking headlined by a bunch of 24-26 year old AAA'ers who hit a bunch of homers in hitter-friendly parks.


I think that the Brewers are doing better than many rankings indicate. Not just the youth of the ones they rank (and who have upside), but also in terms of later picks that the folks doing the ratings tend to ignore.

On the Brewers, for instance, Brandon Woodruff was an 11th-round pick in the 2014 draft. Suter was a 31st rounder in 2012. Yes we got LoCain as a free agent, but he was originally a 17-round pick of the Brewers in 2004. Jacob Barnes, who did well from 2016-2018, was a 14th-round pick in 2011.

Even among the prospects, Dylan File was a 21st-round pick in 2017. Alec Bettinger was a 10th-round pick in 2017. Clayton Andrews was a 17th-round pick in 2018 and already at AA. Michael Mediavilla, who has two consecutive years of sub-1.00 ERAs and a career WHIP of 0.640 - 34th round, 2018 draft. Quintin Torres-Costa was a 35th-round pick in the 2015 draft.

Some of the hitting prospects I like, like Cooper Hummel and Weston Wilson were also drafted later - in the 18th and 17th rounds of the 2018 draft. Cam Devanney was a 15th-round pick in 2019. Ryan Aguilar was a 31st-round pick in 2016.


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Posted: January 11, 2020, 11:27 AM Post
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FYI: Baseball America had Tom H on its podcast on Thursday 1/9/20 discussing the Brewers top 10 prospects & the overall farm system.

Podcast ran almost 30 minutes..


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Posted: January 11, 2020, 5:02 PM Post
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FYI: Baseball America had Tom H on its podcast on Thursday 1/9/20 discussing the Brewers top 10 prospects & the overall farm system.

Podcast ran almost 30 minutes..


AUDIO - Don't need a subscription


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Posted: January 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Post
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Mass Haas said:
MadThinker88 said:
FYI: Baseball America had Tom H on its podcast on Thursday 1/9/20 discussing the Brewers top 10 prospects & the overall farm system.

Podcast ran almost 30 minutes..


AUDIO - Don't need a subscription


Thanks for adding the link...
I listen to the podcasts on my smart phone but connect to & respond to this board via my laptop...


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