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Posted: January 06, 2020, 11:09 AM Post
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Who do you all think the top Brewers prospects are by position? We do a top 25 list overall, but you do have eight positions to fill on the field, and you have to construct a pitching staff.

Some thoughts on my end:

C: 1. David Fry; 2. Mario Feliciano; 3. Payton Henry
There is quality and quantity for the Brewers behind the plate. Jake Nottingham cannot crack the top three, and Cooper Hummel moved to the outfield. Fry has the best bat, Henry is the best defender, and Feliciano is a happy medium it seems.

1B: 1. Thomas Dillard; 2. Ryan Aguilar; 3. Ernesto Martinez
Dillard is a switch-hitter with power and OBP skills. Aguilar developed a decent hit-for-average tool while keeping his OBP skills and power. Martinez intrigues with OBP skills and power, rebounding from a rough 2018 after a very promising 2017.

2B: 1. C.J. Hinujosa; 2. Felix Valerio; 3. Yeison Coca
Second base may seem set for the next five years thanks to Keston Hiura, but Hinujosa seems to have a decent hit-for-average tool. Valerio looks to be a promising replacement. Coca has speed and can draw walks, but can't hit for average... yet.

SS: 1. Bryce Turang; 2. Cam Devanney; 3. Eduardo Garcia
Turang was solid in his first full year, and drew 83 walks. Even struggles in the Carolina League at 19 can't keep him from the top spot. That said, a close eye on Cam Devanney for his first full professional season is warranted. He has a complete offensive package - and could eclipse Turange. Garcia's third on potential, but how does he rebound from a broken ankle?

3B: 1. Weston Wilson; 2. Aaron Familia; 3. Lucas Erceg/Eddie Silva (tie)
Wilson has put together a good offensive package of OBP skills, power, and baserunning. Familia shows a lot of promise - OBP skills are there, and he comes off a good season. Erceg and Silva are tied, but Silva showed OBP improvement, while Erceg has yet to put it all together.

Corner OF: 1. Cooper Hummel; 2. Micah Bello; 3. Joangtel Segovia
Hummel is probably the best offensive prospect in the Brewers system you haven't heard of. Bello has flashed power and speed, but the hit-for-average tool needs work. Segovia has hit for average, but the OBP skills need work, and he hasn't shown power.

CF: 1. Tyrone Taylor; 2. Tristan Lutz; 3. Corey Ray
Taylor has restored his prospect status after suffering injuries. Lutz has a very intriguing offensive profile, alebit needs consistency. Ray just has to put it all together and keep healthy.

RHSP: 1. Dylan File; 2. Max Lazar; 3. Noah Zavolas
If there is one pitcher in the Brewers system who could be a home-grown TOR, it's File. Lazar could be as good, if not better, but is a long way off. Zavolas seems to be a right-handed Suter, who could make the Domingo Santana trade a big win for the Brewers.

LHSP: 1. Scott Sunitsch; 2. Aaron Ashby; 3. Ethan Small
Ashby has the higher draft status, but Sunitsch quietly posted the same K/9 ratio as Ashby, but walked fewer batters while pitching 10 more innings. Ashby did better at avoiding the gopher ball, and is a close second - just needs to cut down on the free passes. Ethan Small's initial season looks promising.

RHRP: 1. Jon Olczak; 2. Victor Castaneda; 3. Keegan McCarville
Olczak posted a second solid season. Castaneda did solidly in Wisconsin, then dominated the AFL as a starter. McCarville's initial posting of a 1.72 ERA and 0.955 WHIP is promising.

LHRP: 1. Clayton Andrews; 2. Angel Perdomo; 3. Michael Mediavilla
Andrews looks like another Hader with a decent bat and the ability to play the outfield in a pinch. Perdomo brings pure heat. Mediavilla - 0.92 ERA and 0.661 WHIP says it all.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 12:35 PM Post
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Thanks for putting this together. Interesting post although I disagree in a few places. First, I don't think many would argue Feliciano as the best catching prospect given he's 3 years younger, at a more advanced level, Fry is no longer playing catcher and has been old for his league. Tyrone Taylor is about to turn 26 and given Lutz's upside, he's much more of a prospect to me at this point on age alone. Frankly, I really don't even consider Taylor a "prospect" given his age. Finally, I definitely don't see Sunitsch in the same light that I view both Ashby and Small. I think you could reasonably argue the top spot for either of them, I just don't see Sunitsch there myself.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 2:39 PM Post
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David Fry caught a ton last year and has exclusively played catcher in the fall league....so I don't know that he isn't a catcher anymore.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 3:47 PM Post
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David Fry caught a ton last year and has exclusively played catcher in the fall league....so I don't know that he isn't a catcher anymore.


He shouldn't be one anymore. He's already age advanced and behind not only Feliciano but Henry and Kahle (who got bumped past him at years end). Open the path for a kid and see if he can stick at 1b or 3b. He's going to be a very old catcher if they keep on this path by the time he gets to the bigs.

Clancy, what is your fascination with guys who don't swing? High K High BB power guys seem to be your vice. Also seems to benefit them if they are playing at a level where they are older than their competition. After Grisham got promoted to AAA the bats in Biloxi were boring. You seem to like half of them and they all seem like AAAA guys at this point.

Also how is Andrews like Hader?


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 4:06 PM Post
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While the Arizona Fall League stats are encouraging, looking at Fry's work in Wisconsin, he was a senior sign in A ball and, while very good, wasn't dominant. Unless you're expecting a big bump from no longer having to focus on catching, does his bat really play at first? He is interesting precisely because there's still a chance he could catch. If you want to challenge the bat, have Henry repeat A+ and pair him with Feliciano at AA.

Clancy, out of curiosity, with as heavily results skewed as your lists typically are, why no Luke Barker? The guy was one of the best in the upper minors at keeping guys off base last year.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 4:16 PM Post
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While the Arizona Fall League stats are encouraging, looking at Fry's work in Wisconsin, he was a senior sign in A ball and, while very good, wasn't dominant. .


5 in the league in slugging and 9th in OPS. Average was solid. It's more about getting a guy who is nearly 2 years old for his level a chance to catch up. 1b 3b is very thin in the system as well.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 4:21 PM Post
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Highly doubt Clayton Andrews is another Hader, he is fun to follow because he can hit and pitch but I don't know if his ceiling is very high.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 4:31 PM Post
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TigerUppercut said:
Thanks for putting this together. Interesting post although I disagree in a few places. First, I don't think many would argue Feliciano as the best catching prospect given he's 3 years younger, at a more advanced level, Fry is no longer playing catcher and has been old for his league. Tyrone Taylor is about to turn 26 and given Lutz's upside, he's much more of a prospect to me at this point on age alone. Frankly, I really don't even consider Taylor a "prospect" given his age. Finally, I definitely don't see Sunitsch in the same light that I view both Ashby and Small. I think you could reasonably argue the top spot for either of them, I just don't see Sunitsch there myself.


Fry's defensive breakdown is as follows:
C: 66 games, 62 starts + 9 games, 9 starts in the AFL
1B: 28 games, 25 starts
2B: 1 game
SS: 1 game
3B: 21 games, 20 starts
LF: 3 games 2 starts
CF: 1 game
RF: 3 games, 2 starts

As for Sunitch-Ashby-Small, here's why I went the way I did: Small had a very small sample - 21 IP. It was a dominant 21 IP, but for the sake of prospect discussion, Ashby and Sunitsch are more advanced, and I ranked them ahead on that basis. 2020 could see Small rocket past them.

Ashby had a 3.50 ERA in 126 IP during 2019, with a 1.278 WHIP, 4.3 BB/9, 9.6 K/9, giving up 5 HR
Sunitsch had a 4.09 ERA in 136.1 IP during 2019, with a 1.350 WHIP, 2.8 BB/9, 9.6 K/9, giving up 8 HR

So, from what I see, Sunitsch eats a few more innings, and he walks fewer batters. It's not even close. This trend also holds up through 2018. Career K/BB ratio is 3.00 for Sunitsch, 2.61 for Ashby. Sunitsch's K/9 also went up big from 2018 to 2019, jumping from 6.5 to 9.6.

So, the improvement by Sunitsch and the lower walk total are why I put him ahead of Ashby. It was close, though.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 5:01 PM Post
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TJseven7 said:
MrTPlush said:
David Fry caught a ton last year and has exclusively played catcher in the fall league....so I don't know that he isn't a catcher anymore.


He shouldn't be one anymore. He's already age advanced and behind not only Feliciano but Henry and Kahle (who got bumped past him at years end). Open the path for a kid and see if he can stick at 1b or 3b. He's going to be a very old catcher if they keep on this path by the time he gets to the bigs.

Clancy, what is your fascination with guys who don't swing? High K High BB power guys seem to be your vice. Also seems to benefit them if they are playing at a level where they are older than their competition. After Grisham got promoted to AAA the bats in Biloxi were boring. You seem to like half of them and they all seem like AAAA guys at this point.

Also how is Andrews like Hader?


Last question first:
Andrews is averaging over an inning an appearance, and he is posting some very good K/9 numbers. He also gives up less than one home run every nine innings. To me, it looks as if he could be that "fireman" reliever who can get you to the closer. In one sense, he is more valuable, since he also swings a good bat and can play the outfield.

As for the high-walk guys... they get on base. Cooper Hummel, for example, walks once for every 5.5 at bats. Yes, his 2019 points to a 3TO type of profile, but OPS has gone up from .749 to .807 to .835 in the 2017-2019 profile. I think could put it together and do very well in the majors. I liked his OBP skills, but really think I will jump him up int he top 25 voting based on this profile from BrewCrewBall (https://www.brewcrewball.com/2019/11/25 ... -interview).

I actually tend to be more about high-walk guys who have another tool, not necessarily power. For instance, Brice Turang is someone I like with a high walk total, but he doesn't have power, he has speed (44-for-51 in SB over his career). He could lead off, or at worst, he can walk. This guy struggled to reach the Uecker line in Carolina, but still had a respectable .338 OBP. That sort of thing and his speed makes things interesting out of the #8 spot of the lineup.

Now, Cam Devanney is old for the level and a college player, but there is a complete package offensively there, at least in the small sample size. Thomas Dillard was about average for Wisconsin, but he was a walk machine with decent power. Yeah, the K totals are high, but he also has speed to go with the power (8-for-8 in SBs).


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 10:54 PM Post
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My old guys comment was directed at Aguilar, Hummel and to a lesser extent Wilson. I also said high bb AND high K guys. Emphasis on the K. I love OBP every bit as much as you but when a guy is K'ing over 100 times in under 500 AB (age advanced in AA) I don't see that as reflective of discipline. I see it as looking for something specific and taking everything else. Strike or not. Grisham also had some of that in his profile, however Grisham was always young for his level.

I'm all for the interesting story that Andrews is but he's more Suter than Hader. He's a junk ball guy. He's an odd short guy arm slot and most feel he's more defensive replacement CF and emergency pinch hitter than he is an MLB bat, there really isn't any power there. If you wanted to go defensive CF + Suter I wouldn't complain and that's still interesting but Hader is a totally different beast.

Ashby Sunitsch you are just being too cute with that ranking. Defend it all you want but your emphasis on BBs is where this goes off the rails. Ashby has a lower whip than Sunitsch despite walking considerably more batters. That's going to age better and should be seen as better currently. Sunitsch is already getting hit. Ashby is not getting hit, he's just a bit wild. Really makes Sunitsch seem more 4A and Ashby young than anything else.

I also want to hear back on the Cheesehead question. How are you not a Barker fan? I think he's the forgotten guy in the AAA pen who could be in the MKE shuttle this year. You don't like him? He was light out last year and seems to fit your type.


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Posted: January 06, 2020, 11:50 PM Post
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Barker... looked him up. Probably just a hair behind McCarville. I kept myself to three at each position. Barker's definitely top five.


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Posted: January 07, 2020, 12:02 AM Post
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While I disagree with a lot of them, after sitting down and actually trying to make a top three at each position (based on which position they played most often last year or which they were drafted at in the case of one player who didn't play) it is really tough with the hitters. I didn't include the Biloxi contingent or Devanney in mine, but I had to dig pretty deep in order to do it in the infield. My list would have included a grand total of three infielders (Turang, Erceg and Dillard) who played full season ball in the Brewers system last season, four who played in the DSL, one who was in a different organization, one who barely played because of injury and one who didn't play because of injury.

I'd rank my No. 6 catcher ahead of at least five of the infielders who made the three-deep and there are a few others who I'd have roughly even with him.

For me, with the exception of RH starters (I had Zavalos in the 10-15 range and I can't quibble with his inclusion to tell you how flat I find that group), the pitching is fairly clear cut as least as far as inclusion.

The lefty starters are Small, Ashby and Kelly in some order (with all due respect to Bennett, who probably deserves a mention), and the lefty relievers are Perdomo, Andrews and QCT, in some order. I actually might have given Sunitsch consideration if he were counted as a reliever rather than a starter. His splits against lefties last year were really good and the one Fangraphs writeup on him kind of screamed bullpen.

As for the righty bullpen, I'd say any combination of Feyereisen, Wahl, Williams, Barker and Bickford. Sanchez seems a step below and the might be starting next year duo of Castaneda and Lindell are too far away (that counts more for me when talking about bullpen guys).


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Posted: January 07, 2020, 1:59 AM Post
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CheeseheadInQC said:
While I disagree with a lot of them, after sitting down and actually trying to make a top three at each position (based on which position they played most often last year or which they were drafted at in the case of one player who didn't play) it is really tough with the hitters. I didn't include the Biloxi contingent or Devanney in mine, but I had to dig pretty deep in order to do it in the infield. My list would have included a grand total of three infielders (Turang, Erceg and Dillard) who played full season ball in the Brewers system last season, four who played in the DSL, one who was in a different organization, one who barely played because of injury and one who didn't play because of injury.

I'd rank my No. 6 catcher ahead of at least five of the infielders who made the three-deep and there are a few others who I'd have roughly even with him.

For me, with the exception of RH starters (I had Zavalos in the 10-15 range and I can't quibble with his inclusion to tell you how flat I find that group), the pitching is fairly clear cut as least as far as inclusion.

The lefty starters are Small, Ashby and Kelly in some order (with all due respect to Bennett, who probably deserves a mention), and the lefty relievers are Perdomo, Andrews and QCT, in some order. I actually might have given Sunitsch consideration if he were counted as a reliever rather than a starter. His splits against lefties last year were really good and the one Fangraphs writeup on him kind of screamed bullpen.

As for the righty bullpen, I'd say any combination of Feyereisen, Wahl, Williams, Barker and Bickford. Sanchez seems a step below and the might be starting next year duo of Castaneda and Lindell are too far away (that counts more for me when talking about bullpen guys).


The hard part about catcher is the number of folks. Fry, Feliciano, and Henry got the edge for being in full-season ball. Nottingham is 4th, Kahle 5th (mostly due to DHing).

First base... I feel Dillard could really move up with his OBP skills, and there is something about Martinez in particular that I like. Aguilar is a god of walks, and he has some pop and can also play center. He's a Ben Gamel/Eric Thames hybrid.

Devanney... I think he's going to be good. A huge steal. In a way, he's like Troy Stokes was - good OBP skills, power, some speed. How well he hits for average is the big question, but at shortstop, I think he's arguably a more complete offensive package. Turang's big edge is he was in A+ and still racking up tons of walks. If Devanney does well in 2020, I may vault him past Turang at the position.

The Biloxi Crew - Hummel and Wilson - are both underrated, I think. Hummel's BrewCrewBall profile has me convinced he will break out big in 2020. It's better to have players start out with too much plate discipline rather than to have to try to develop it.

Sunitsch took the top spot for not allowing walks. He's also, at times, put together dominant streaks. He had one in Carolina for 2019, and one with Wisconsin in 2018. He's also durable - pitching more innings than Ashby in 2019.

QTC is an interesting case. He'd be #4 on my lefty relievers list. The reason Mediavilla made the top three was that even though he had a very small sample at a low level, the sheer dominance catches my attention.


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Feliciano is 21 and Henry is 22. I'd rank both ahead of Fry. With those two ahead of him, Fry may spend most of his time at 1B where he figures in the top 3.


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I don't know how you can have Sunitsch and Ashby ahead of Small, who was the best pitcher in the SEC, and was dominant in his limited action in the minors.


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Posted: January 07, 2020, 10:00 AM Post
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I don't know how you can have Sunitsch and Ashby ahead of Small, who was the best pitcher in the SEC, and was dominant in his limited action in the minors.


You can't. As far as prospects go, Small and Ashby are substantially ahead of Sunitsch in both pedigree and upside.

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I don't know how you can have Sunitsch and Ashby ahead of Small, who was the best pitcher in the SEC, and was dominant in his limited action in the minors.

You really can't. This is one person's list. He's entitled to his opinions. But take it with a grain of salt. He probably would have had Cam Roegner as the top RHP if the Brewers had not just released him (on the flip side, Clancy loved Suter as a minor leaguer - far more than most people - and he's been a decent player so far).


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Devanney... I think he's going to be good. A huge steal. In a way, he's like Troy Stokes was - good OBP skills, power, some speed. How well he hits for average is the big question, but at shortstop, I think he's arguably a more complete offensive package. Turang's big edge is he was in A+ and still racking up tons of walks. If Devanney does well in 2020, I may vault him past Turang at the position.


Devanney was 22 in rookie ball. When Stokes was 22 he was already in AA. That is a HUGE difference rendering any similarities mostly moot.

Yes, Turang's big edge was that he was two levels higher at A+...while also being three years younger & with scouting reports which got him picked 21st as a teenager instead of 463rd as a college senior.


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TigerUppercut said:
Thanks for putting this together. Interesting post although I disagree in a few places. First, I don't think many would argue Feliciano as the best catching prospect given he's 3 years younger, at a more advanced level, Fry is no longer playing catcher and has been old for his league. Tyrone Taylor is about to turn 26 and given Lutz's upside, he's much more of a prospect to me at this point on age alone. Frankly, I really don't even consider Taylor a "prospect" given his age. Finally, I definitely don't see Sunitsch in the same light that I view both Ashby and Small. I think you could reasonably argue the top spot for either of them, I just don't see Sunitsch there myself.


Fry's defensive breakdown is as follows:
C: 66 games, 62 starts + 9 games, 9 starts in the AFL
1B: 28 games, 25 starts
2B: 1 game
SS: 1 game
3B: 21 games, 20 starts
LF: 3 games 2 starts
CF: 1 game
RF: 3 games, 2 starts

As for Sunitch-Ashby-Small, here's why I went the way I did: Small had a very small sample - 21 IP. It was a dominant 21 IP, but for the sake of prospect discussion, Ashby and Sunitsch are more advanced, and I ranked them ahead on that basis. 2020 could see Small rocket past them.

Ashby had a 3.50 ERA in 126 IP during 2019, with a 1.278 WHIP, 4.3 BB/9, 9.6 K/9, giving up 5 HR
Sunitsch had a 4.09 ERA in 136.1 IP during 2019, with a 1.350 WHIP, 2.8 BB/9, 9.6 K/9, giving up 8 HR

So, from what I see, Sunitsch eats a few more innings, and he walks fewer batters. It's not even close. This trend also holds up through 2018. Career K/BB ratio is 3.00 for Sunitsch, 2.61 for Ashby. Sunitsch's K/9 also went up big from 2018 to 2019, jumping from 6.5 to 9.6.

So, the improvement by Sunitsch and the lower walk total are why I put him ahead of Ashby. It was close, though.


It's kind of silly to dismiss Small's 2019 campaign as the best pitcher in college baseball, in the toughest conference. I get your fascination with advanced age soft-tossing lefties, but Small and Sunitsch aren't in the same universe, prospect-wise.


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clancyphile said:
Devanney... I think he's going to be good. A huge steal. In a way, he's like Troy Stokes was - good OBP skills, power, some speed. How well he hits for average is the big question, but at shortstop, I think he's arguably a more complete offensive package. Turang's big edge is he was in A+ and still racking up tons of walks. If Devanney does well in 2020, I may vault him past Turang at the position.


Devanney was 22 in rookie ball. When Stokes was 22 he was already in AA. That is a HUGE difference rendering any similarities mostly moot.

Yes, Turang's big edge was that he was two levels higher at A+...while also being three years younger & with scouting reports which got him picked 21st as a teenager instead of 463rd as a college senior.


I did say that if Devanney did well in 2020. A lot remains to be seen. Still, if he posts a good year, then a steal at pick 463 is a good thing and makes the farm system much better.

Turang could hit .300, walk 85 times a year, steal 30 bases, and hit 10 homers.

Devanney might hit .260, but he will still generate walks, but he'll be a 20-25 HR player st shortstop. For the college bats drafted after the 10th round, the first full season as a pro will say a lot. Ronnie Gideon flamed out, David Fry and Cooper Hummel did well enough.


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