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Posted: October 14, 2020, 6:36 AM Post
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Wichita does seem like a possibility. I guess it depends on whether or not the Twins and MLB can convince St. Paul to make the move to affiliated ball, as there has actually been a report linking the Twins to Wichita.

I'd also keep an eye on Indianapolis. If the Nats end up in Richmond, I could see the Pirates head to Rochester. If no Richmond for the Nats, then I think they end up in Rochester. It doesn't sound like the Twins are going to stay there.

Nashville will also presumably be open, if Sugar Land joins affiliated ball as an Astros affiliate, opening Round Rock for the Rangers. I could also see the Marlins end up in Nashville (everything I've posted here about the Marlins in Jacksonville has been 100% speculation on my part).

It was Keith Law who reported in the Athletic back in April that Wichita and San Antonio could be dropped down to AA/Texas League, but I'd guess those plans have probably long since changed. Here's the article (subscription required): https://theathletic.com/1718395/2020/04 ... ion-looms/


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Posted: October 15, 2020, 2:14 PM Post
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So this MiLB retraction and reshuffle has been one of my blind spots as I haven't paid much attention thus far. For those following it more closely, is Beloit in any danger of losing out on an affiliated team despite currently having a new stadium under construction? I know there were conflicting preliminary reports about their status, and I think their ownership group also owns Pensacola which would seem to help their cause. Just curious if they've publicly stated assurance of having an affiliated team?


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Posted: October 16, 2020, 7:42 AM Post
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Eye Black said:
So this MiLB retraction and reshuffle has been one of my blind spots as I haven't paid much attention thus far. For those following it more closely, is Beloit in any danger of losing out on an affiliated team despite currently having a new stadium under construction? I know there were conflicting preliminary reports about their status, and I think their ownership group also owns Pensacola which would seem to help their cause. Just curious if they've publicly stated assurance of having an affiliated team?


For all the reasons you listed, they're a safe bet to still be around. If there's affiliated minor league baseball in 2021, you'll get to go see the Beloit Cheese Cows(?) play. But no, no definitive public statement yet. That pretty much applies to everyone though. Even if a team has high high high confidence that they'll be around, knowing league, level, affiliation, stuff like that, is still up in the air. And we may still be months from knowing the final 120.

I posted this link earlier: https://www.milb.com/pensacola/news/mlb-milb-changes

In that Pensacola Blue Wahoos press release from a few weeks ago: "The Southern League should remain a Double-A league and the Blue Wahoos should remain as a Double-A affiliate." SHOULD?!


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Posted: October 17, 2020, 1:36 PM Post
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I have to think behind closed doors they are farther along than we might think. Occasionally there are tweets put out and then pulled back that make it seem like some things have been decided - for example Boise put a message out recently saying their new era begins April 1st, which is interesting as historically they don't start until mid-June.


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Posted: October 18, 2020, 7:58 AM Post
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Yeah, possibly. Maybe most teams are better at being tight-lipped than Boise, as most of the articles I've read recently interviewing MiLB team personnel say they have no idea what's going on.

The initial rumors about the Northwest League were that they were going to move to full season (probably Low-A), with two of their eight teams being cut (Tri-City and Salem-Keizer). But Boise was also mentioned as a potential cut because they're pretty far from the rest of the teams in the league, and they don't play in great facilities. So maybe we're close to at least hearing the fate of the NW League, and pretty much know who will be a part of it.

That doesn't really give us any insight into who the Brewers will end up with, though we should see some fallout in the Midwest League if it stays at Low-A (which I don't think is a given). The Angels, A's, Diamondbacks, Dodgers and Padres all have teams in the Midwest League, so we could see some of them head to the new Northwest League.


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Posted: October 18, 2020, 12:38 PM Post
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It will be interesting when the announcements occur, how they happen. In order to make schedules they wouldn't need to know whose affiliate it is, just the levels and leagues. If the Northwest League enters "A" ball opposite of the California League, maybe it makes it possible/likely to split the Midwest League between the two "A" levels. If you can't get all the teams together, maybe you can clump them with two Midwest teams and your AA and AAA teams near each other. A stretch, but what if you could move the Mudcats up to AA and steal the Durham Bulls from TB?


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Posted: October 20, 2020, 10:56 AM Post
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I do wonder if we're very close to hearing about the Northwest League. The A's beat writer for the SF Chronicle reported that the A's are expected to move their Low-A team to Vancouver.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/athletics/a ... 20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Hopefully that means, as you said, we're closer than some people are reporting.

Specific to this report, The A's moving frees up Beloit (edited: confused A's with Angels/Burlington here). It also means the Jays won't be housing their Low-A team in Vancouver anymore, so perhaps they're staying in Lansing.


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Posted: October 23, 2020, 5:08 AM Post
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Here's a fun update, and an opportunity for me to brag about one of my predictions (even though it always made a lot of sense): A Marlins beat writer, Craig Mish, was on a Marlins podcast yesterday, and he said the "rumor" is that the Marlins will be asked to leave Wichita. For those of us who have been following this, that isn't a surprise, though he also seemed to be pretty unaware of all the MiLB realignment rumors until recently, which is weird. Anyway, he's hearing they would move AAA to Jacksonville, and then would take one of the existing Southern League teams to replace Jax for AA. He mentioned Pensacola specifically as a realistic option. Assuming the Rays stick with their long-term home in Montgomery, and the Marlins move to Pensacola, there really aren't any other regional fits for Biloxi, so I could see the Brewers staying there. And obviously this points to Wichita being available.

The MiLB talk starts about 18:40. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s ... 11083ebe82

The Marlins' SBNation page covered Mish's comments as well: https://www.fishstripes.com/21528761/mi ... cksonville

There was also reportedly a conference call yesterday between MLB and the New York-Penn League, so we may start to hear about that league's future soon.


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Posted: October 29, 2020, 8:17 AM Post
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MLB is proposing the NY-Penn go college wood bat as well: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... t-circuit/

Doesn't sound like that would go as smoothly as the Appalachian League transition is going. BA suggested some teams may just opt to go Independent.

The article also said not to expect to hear about the final 120 teams until after the election, possibly still several weeks away.

Also reports of the new facility standards going forward: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... standards/

BA suggests some teams may preemptively opt out of the final 120 if they feel they won't be able to meet the new standards.

I know some improvements were made to the park in San Antonio prior to the 2019 season. I wonder if they were good enough. I know city leadership there was against a new park, so I wonder how willing they'd be to pay for additional improvements on the existing park. I'd also be curious about ownership is willing to do with the park in Carolina. Biloxi is probably in great shape given it's so new.


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Posted: October 31, 2020, 9:05 AM Post
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The Altoona Curve (AA Eastern League) GM recently said he hopes to hear an announcement by Thanksgiving regarding affiliations.


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 9:36 AM Post
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Ballpark Digest has some new (unofficial) reporting: https://ballparkdigest.com/2020/11/02/d ... lb-emerge/

Big changes at High A and Low A:

Low A
Cali League - eight teams
Florida State League - ten teams (two teams cut; probably still Daytona and Florida getting dropped)
Sally League - twelve teams

High A
Midwest League
Northwest League (six teams)
Carolina League
New Mid-Atlantic League

AA
Only thing reported in the article is that Brooklyn is still expected to move to the Eastern League, that the Marlins are expected to get Pensacola, and then the result of the AAA shuffling (below), which we've heard before.

AAA
Out: Fresno (dropped to Low A Cali League), San Antonio and Wichita (dropped to AA Texas League)
In: Jacksonville (Marlins), St. Paul (Twins), Sugar Land (didn't say, but presumably the Astros)

Pioneer League still has nothing on what their future holds.

The site stressed that nothing is finalized and could change from this reporting, but this is roughly what MLB is shooting for right now.


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 9:51 AM Post
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LincolnDD said:
Ballpark Digest has some new (unofficial) reporting: https://ballparkdigest.com/2020/11/02/d ... lb-emerge/


If I had to guess now, I think the Brewers end up back in Nashville for AAA.


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:00 AM Post
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So if the Midwest league and Carolina league both end up in high A, I’m guessing the Brewers would have to drop the Mudcats then? And then they’ll have a new low A team?


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:03 AM Post
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LincolnDD said:
Ballpark Digest has some new (unofficial) reporting: https://ballparkdigest.com/2020/11/02/d ... lb-emerge/

Big changes at High A and Low A:

Low A
Cali League - eight teams
Florida State League - ten teams (two teams cut; probably still Daytona and Florida getting dropped)
Sally League - twelve teams

High A
Midwest League
Northwest League (six teams)
Carolina League
New Mid-Atlantic League

AA
Only thing reported in the article is that Brooklyn is still expected to move to the Eastern League, that the Marlins are expected to get Pensacola, and then the result of the AAA shuffling (below), which we've heard before.

AAA
Out: Fresno (dropped to Low A Cali League), San Antonio and Wichita (dropped to AA Texas League)
In: Jacksonville (Marlins), St. Paul (Twins), Sugar Land (didn't say, but presumably the Astros)

Pioneer League still has nothing on what their future holds.

The site stressed that nothing is finalized and could change from this reporting, but this is roughly what MLB is shooting for right now.


The count for Low A is off.... only 28 teams accounted for & there are 30 organizations in MLB

Thanks for staying up on this stuff & reporting updates LincolnDD!


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:05 AM Post
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the problem with that is that they own the Mudcats. I would think appleton gets the boot


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:15 AM Post
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the problem with that is that they own the Mudcats. I would think appleton gets the boot


Always a chance the Mudcats are dropped a level & join the Saally League (makes more geographic sense then Appleton in Sally or another Low A league)..


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:26 AM Post
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The count for Low A is off.... only 28 teams accounted for & there are 30 organizations in MLB

Thanks for staying up on this stuff & reporting updates LincolnDD!


Should be thirty for Low A: 8 + 12 + 10

Thanks for the hat tip! I find this stuff fascinating, but I'm always afraid I annoy people with all the posts on this, haha. I'm glad some find it interesting.


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:29 AM Post
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Keep the updates coming Lincoln! I can’t wait to see what the minor leagues will look like going forward. Hopefully we get a resolution soon.


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:37 AM Post
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MadThinker88 said:
patrickgpe said:
the problem with that is that they own the Mudcats. I would think appleton gets the boot


Always a chance the Mudcats are dropped a level & join the Saally League (makes more geographic sense then Appleton in Sally or another Low A league)..


Yeah, good call. So the Brewers stay in both Wisconsin and Carolina, but the levels are swapped. The article did say that some MLB-owned affiliates could also end up being cut. But I think it makes more sense to drop Carolina down a level. The Brewers aren't going to California or Florida for Low A (we can pretty much figure out the teams in those leagues), so they'll be in the South Atlantic League.


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 10:38 AM Post
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Keep the updates coming Lincoln! I can’t wait to see what the minor leagues will look like going forward. Hopefully we get a resolution soon.


You're welcome! Thanks for not being annoyed by this


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