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#81

Posted: August 09, 2020, 9:06 AM Post
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I listened to a Baseball America podcast yesterday, and JJ Cooper from BA said that if MLB and MiLB are able to come to some agreement, that there will be very few changes at the AAA and AA level (with significant change possible at High A and Low A). So I guess the chances of staying in Biloxi would be pretty solid.

He also said part of MiLB's recent proposal to MLB was a whopping $35m entrance fee for any Independent team looking to join affiliated ball. MLB's initial proposal was $20m on a sliding scale (so joining AA cheaper than AAA, etc.). I think the last AAA team to sell was Syracuse, and that was for around $18m. I'm sure teams like Charlotte and Vegas are worth a lot more than Syracuse, but it's hard to imagine seeing that $35m worth it to most Indy league teams interested in joining affiliated ball, even if it meant a boost to a club's value. So maybe there are few or no changes at AAA, too, and the Brewers stick in San Antonio.

I can't imagine the Orioles would willingly leave Norfolk for Rochester, though I'm sure the Nationals would be thrilled with that move and gladly move to Norfolk themselves.


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Posted: August 09, 2020, 1:16 PM Post
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If the independent league teams don't enter affiliated ball, I would actually think it could increase the Brewers chances of connecting with Wichita at the AAA level. Jacksonville up to the AAA level as Miami's affiliate still makes sense. Maybe the Nationals then move to San Antonio at the AAA level? The Nationals are one of the few teams that many believe have a worse farm system currently than the Brewers.


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Posted: August 09, 2020, 3:12 PM Post
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Yeah, agree on all that. I've definitely been beating that "Jax to AAA" drum for a while. That one just makes too much sense.

San Antonio, as of Feb/March, was atill looking at a spot for a new stadium. Sounds like they'll get there eventually, and at that point it's hard not to see one of the Texas teams moving in. But I'm not sure how that's going to work under the new system. No more waiting for the shuffle every two years, as agreements are supposed to be much longer going forward. Maybe one of the Texas teams bites the bullet and makes the preemptive move now, and puts up with the subpar stadium until the new one comes along.

There was also some belief going back to when the new MiLB structure rumors came out the stadium issue would very likely lead to a demotion from AAA. Maybe that still happens, but if you're not bringing Sugar Land into affiliated ball, it probably makes more sense to keep that second AAA team in Texas.

Or maybe one of the Texas teams wants Wichita? So much could happen. That's why I find this so interesting.


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Posted: September 07, 2020, 4:30 PM Post
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I wonder if MLB would move back to the late 80s plan and have three AAA leagues. If this happens, it wouldn't surprise me if they create "bubbles" like the 2020 MLB season with the PCL teams being the ten teams from the West, the IL teams being the ten teams from the East, and the "new" teams being the ten Central teams. On an unrelated note, sounds like the NYY may connect with an independent league team for AA making Trenton available.


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Posted: September 10, 2020, 8:05 PM Post
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I've seen reports of a third AAA league, and also reports that they'd stick with two leagues, with most of the teams in the International League. Three leagues seems to make more sense if they really want to lessen travel.

Trenton's park had some facility/field quality issues in recent years, though I've heard they've cleaned them up. But the park in Somerset is supposedly really nice.


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Posted: September 10, 2020, 8:28 PM Post
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This is an interesting line from a recent Baseball America article, and seems like a pretty significant challenge for the Brewers, whose current affiliates are pretty spread out.

MLB’s desire is to have more geographical continuity for leagues—which equals less travel—and for MLB organizations, which means less travel for rovers, scouts, front office officials and players.


Doesn't seem possible to do this in the Midwest without significant shuffling of teams/levels. I guess the White Sox would be the model here, with three of the four top affiliates relatively close to each other in North Carolina, even if they're not particularly close to Illinois.


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Posted: September 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Post
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LincolnDD said:
This is an interesting line from a recent Baseball America article, and seems like a pretty significant challenge for the Brewers, whose current affiliates are pretty spread out.

MLB’s desire is to have more geographical continuity for leagues—which equals less travel—and for MLB organizations, which means less travel for rovers, scouts, front office officials and players.


Doesn't seem possible to do this in the Midwest without significant shuffling of teams/levels. I guess the White Sox would be the model here, with three of the four top affiliates relatively close to each other in North Carolina, even if they're not particularly close to Illinois.


Think Cleveland - AAA Columbus, OH; AA - Akron, OH, High A - Lynchburg VA, Full Season A - Lake County/ Painesville, OH

Lynchburg it the furthest travel from Progressive Field, just under 500 miles/ 7.5 hours of a drive


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 1:27 PM Post
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If the CWS cannot pull it off locally when they are in third largest city in the United States, that is not a good sign for a small market team like the Brewers. I could see the Brewers trying to get their four teams in or close to the CST. For example, Wichita at AAA, Biloxi at AA, and one of the WI teams at low-A. For high-A, maybe you move the Mudcats a little west trying to get into the newer park in High Point, NC or really think outside of the box and move the Carolina League team into eastern Tennessee (Chattanooga).


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 5:42 PM Post
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Yeah, that's why I used the White Sox as an example. Cleveland hit the geographic lottery by being on the fringes of both AA and Low A (and Short Season A), while also having a handful of AAA teams in their neighborhood, but they're the exception in the region.

Under the current (soon to be old) system, they could make aggressive moves for Richmond at AA and one of the NC SAL teams (like Greensboro) to put Low A - AA in a fairly tight geographic window with Carolina, if they were willing to give up having a nearby Midwest affiliate. But that possibly is probably moot.

Of course, if MLB really wants to regionalize org farm teams in close proximity to the parent and each other, they may as well just tear everything from AA on down and rebuild from scratch. There are plenty of teams stretching from Iowa (Cedar Rapids) to Ohio (Akron), from Bowling Green and Lexington on up, to spin up separate AA, High A and Low A leagues for teams in the Central division teams (probably six teams in each league, and MLB seems willing to do that).


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Posted: September 15, 2020, 8:25 AM Post
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Well there is zero chance the Mudcats change and virtually no chance the T-Rats change.


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Posted: September 15, 2020, 11:41 AM Post
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Isn't the plan less teams/ leagues / levels, etc. Since carolina and Wisconsin are both single A, I can't see them both existing in their current forms. Appleton is nice for proximity, but does present some issues in the spring. Maybe Carolina moves up to double A, Appleton is the single A, and San Antonio stays triple A or they find a new affiliate.


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Posted: September 15, 2020, 5:10 PM Post
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Definitely fewer teams and levels, though we may see more leagues as a way to reduce travel (e.g. a third AAA league, three or four total Low-A leagues).

Regarding Carolina, I have no idea if this changes anything, but one significant motivation for most teams purchasing affiliates in recent years was to avoid bad situations. The Brewers (and Boston, Houston and Texas) all bought Carolina League teams so they could avoid (or get out of) the California League. The Mets bought Syracuse because they were desperate to leave Vegas. The new system is supposed to avoid stuff like that happening going forward. Maybe the Brewers like being affiliate owners and will stick with it. But I'm not sure the relationship with Carolina is completely set in stone.


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Posted: September 15, 2020, 8:56 PM Post
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I can't wait to find out what the brewers minor leagues teams will be.I hope the crew gets to stay in Biloxi and there were the 3 a team will be.


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Posted: September 17, 2020, 6:02 AM Post
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Yeah, ditto. And these teams usually have their schedules done by now and are planning all their events & promos for next season, so they're all anxious as well.


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Posted: September 17, 2020, 2:53 PM Post
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TalkNats.com predicted Indianapolis, Midland, Wisconsin, and Carolina for the Brewers. They moved some leagues around to different levels. Biloxi and the Southern League moves down to A+


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Posted: September 18, 2020, 6:20 AM Post
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I like the poster's efforts at TalkNats. Shows just how difficult it is to get the West Coast teams some close-ish affiliates. Some really odd fits as a result though (five AA teams in the state of Texas, but the Astros' affiliate would be in California?).

I've tried to do this, too. It's not easy.


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Posted: September 18, 2020, 8:01 PM Post
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I could definitely see Sacramento staying at AAA and Lancaster being contracted keeping the California League as an eight team league.


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 4:14 PM Post
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I gave it a go. Not perfect. Tried to keep it close to the original list of 42 cut, but "saved" Beloit, Erie (I've heard both are safe) and Jackson (moved to New Orleans) from the original cut list, and added Somerset, NJ. Cut Quad Cities, Tri-City, Hudson Valley and Down East to make room. I also tried to maintain as many current partners as possible.

If you don't want to read the entire thing, my Brewers affiliates: Indianapolis (AAA), Myrtle Beach (AA), Wisconsin (High A) and Carolina (Low A). Because I couldn't get a AA team close to "home", I put one relatively close to Carolina. Biloxi becomes the Marlins' High A affiliate.

AAA
Pacific Coast League (10): Albuquerque (COL), El Paso (SDP), Las Vegas (ARI), Oklahoma City (LAD), Reno (OAK), Round Rock (TEX), Sacramento (SFG), Salt Lake City (LAA), Sugar Land (HOU), Tacoma (SEA).
Mid America League (8): Columbus (CLE), Indianapolis (MIL), Iowa (CHC), Louisville (CIN), Nashville (STL), Omaha (KCR), St. Paul (MIN), Toledo (DET).
International League (12): Buffalo (TOR), Charlotte (CWS), Durham (TBR), Gwinnett (ATL), Jacksonville (MIA), Lehigh Valley (PHI), Norfolk (BAL), Richmond (WSH), Rochester (PIT), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (NYY), Syracuse (NYM), Worcester (BOS)

AA
Texas League (10): Amarillo (SDP), Arkansas (SEA), Corpus Christi (HOU), Frisco (TEX), Midland (OAK), NW Arkansas (KCR), San Antonio (ARI), Springfield (STL), Tulsa (LAD), Wichita (COL).
South Atlantic League (10): Augusta (SFG), Bowling Green (CIN), Birmingham (CWS), Charleston (MIA), Columbia (MIN), Montgomery (TBR), Myrtle Beach (MIL), Rocket City (LAA), Rome (ATL), Tennessee (CHC).
Eastern League (10): Aberdeen (BAL), Akron (CLE), Altoona (PIT), Erie (DET), Harrisburg (WSH), Hartford (NYM), New Hampshire (TOR), Portland (BOS), Reading (PHI), Trenton (NYY).

High A
California League (8): Fresno (COL), Inland Empire (LAA), Lake Elsinore (SDP), Modesto (SEA), Rancho Cucamonga (LAD), San Jose (SFG), Stockton (OAK), Visalia (ARI).
Great Lakes League (6): Beloit (MIN), Dayton (CIN), Lansing (TOR), South Bend (CHC), West Michigan (DET), Wisconsin (MIL).
Southern League (6): Biloxi (MIA), Greenville (BOS), Memphis (STL), Mississippi (ATL), New Orleans (HOU), Pensacola (TBR).
Mid Atlantic League (10): Bowie (BAL), Brooklyn (NYM), Fredricksburg (WSH), Greensboro (TEX), Lakewood (PHI), Lynchburg (CLE), Somerset (NYY), West Virginia (PIT), Winston-Salem (CWS), Wilmington (KCR).

Low A
Northwest League (6): Boise (COL), Eugene (OAK), Everett (SEA), Hillsboro (ARI), Spokane (LAA), Vancouver (SFG).
Midwest League (6): Cedar Rapids (KCR), Fort Wayne (SDP), Great Lakes (LAD), Kane County (CHC), Lake County (CLE), Peoria (CIN).
Florida State League (10): Bradenton (PIT), Charlotte (TBR), Clearwater (PHI), Dunedin (TOR), Fort Myers (MIN), Jupiter (MIA), Lakeland (DET), Palm Beach (STL), St. Lucie (NYM), Tampa (NYY).
Carolina League (8): Ashville (ATL), Carolina (MIL), Delmarva (BAL), Fayetteville (HOU), Hickory (TEX), Kannapolis (CWS), Pulaski (WSH), Salem (BOS).


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 5:46 PM Post
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So much is going to depend on which leagues set up in each level. If the California League moves to Double-A, you could see the Arkansas teams come into play for the Brewers at AA. Indianapolis would be a great AAA affiliate for the Brewers IMO and I still wonder if there could be some debate between Beloit and Wisconsin. Under your scenario, it could be interesting to see if the Wisconsin teams could end up split between your Great Lakes League and your Midwest League and both end up as Brewer affiliates.


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Posted: September 20, 2020, 6:02 PM Post
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LincolnDD - I appreciate your attempt & I see it as a better possibility that the one over on TalkingNats..

I can't wrap my head around a demotion of Akron from AA & setting up fight between Akron & Lake County on which replaces Lynchburg in the High-A ranks.

If the facilities at Lake County are lacking, why would the Tribe have it as the alternate site this summer? You go a different direction & add 20 minutes to your travel & your at Canal Park (the Akron site)..


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