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Posted: November 20, 2020, 8:08 AM Post
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Nice shout out from McCalvy on Twitter this morning:

https://twitter.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/ ... 1876585472

Formerly Joey Meyer Bombs


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For those interested in clubs other than the Brewers (as well as the prefer decisions), BA is doing a tracker that is free/ available to all.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... e-5-draft/


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Posted: November 20, 2020, 3:25 PM Post
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Added RHP Brayan Salaya to the eligible list.

He'll be 21 years old in February. Salaya signed for $250,000 at the July 2nd, 2016 international signing period.


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Posted: November 20, 2020, 3:58 PM Post
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I just added RHP Luis Contreras to the Rule 5 eligible list. The 24-year-old reached AA Biloxi in his final appearance of his solid debut season. And due to that very random but non-active assignment by the Cubs several years prior, he is a surprise qualifier for Rule 5 this year.

Toby's 2019 Twitter thread on Contreras

From 7/31/19:

Via this post in our Transaction Thread:

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Not only that, but the player page lists Luis Contreras as being assigned to the now-defunct Venezuelan Summer League as a Cubs farmhand in May 2015. Contreras would have just turned 19 years old at that time, which makes the note plausible, though it appears he never pitched there.

Now that he's with the Timber Rattlers, we'll ask Chris and Kyle to check in as to what happened during that four-year stretch. It's possible that's just an erroneous footnote by MiLB.


AUDIO via the Rattler Radio Soundcloud: "In Wednesday's postgame podcast, Chris Mehring and Kyle Lobner recall the familiar refrain of an early deficit and a late comeback attempt that falls just short. They will also delve into a few of the deadline deals and some performances around the rest of the system. There is also an origin story on new Timber Rattlers reliever Luis Contreras. In the clubhouse comments, hear from Contreras, Matt Erickson, and Antonio Piñero."

Thanks guys, for following up so quickly!


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Posted: November 20, 2020, 4:38 PM Post
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It's been a busy day on the MiLB Transaction Pages as teams position players on the AAA level roster, remember they can place up to 38 players there:

Mass Haas said:
There are 47 total names listed in our initial post.

From Baseball America:

Anyone who is listed on the 38-player Triple-A roster is protected from being picked in the minor league draft.

The minor league phase is much simpler--there are no eligibility rules that have to then be maintained. The player is drafted, the player's old organization is paid $24,500 (editor's note: this is updated after originally stating an incorrect figure) and immediately the player becomes a member of his new organization. Almost all of the players picked in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft are viewed as useful organizational players for their new team, but occasionally a player does find success with his new organization. Top players picked in the minor league Rule 5 include Alexi Ogando, Justin Bour, Omar Narvaez and Alejandro de Aza.


OK, let's not get confused here. The Brewers do take (and occasionally lose) players in the Minor League Phase of Rule 5.

All (or most of) the players listed in the initial post above not added to the 40-man roster will be placed on the Brewers' 38-man paper AAA roster prior to November 20th (yes, even the rookie leaguers).

Thus, this year, if the Brewers wish, they can prevent the vast majority of their farmhands from being selected in the Minor League phase of Rule 5.

Here's who they lost in the minor league phase last December.


Well, the maneuvering is in, here's the current AAA level roster of the organization, each player listed is eligible to be taken in the MLB Rule 5 and is also protected from the minor league phase of Rule 5. Notice that Mario Feliciano was placed on the AAA roster immediately after alternate camp broke (as were Payton Henry and others). Obviously, they could be added to the 40-man roster this afternoon.

Specific to positioning, just yesterday, 2015 Competitive Balance Pick (post-first round) LHP Nathan Kirby was specifically moved to Biloxi's roster, and RHP Bubba Derby (Khris Davis deal with Oakland along with Jacob Nottingham) was also placed on Biloxi's roster, direct from San Antonio's. Thus, both are eligible to be plucked in the minor league phase of Rule 5. Remember IF/OF Eric Farris years ago? The Brewers somewhat surprisingly exposed Farris to the Minor League Phase in 2012 (he had already played in the big leagues with the Crew, but had been outrighted and the Brewers still owned his rights). Doug Melvin later explained it was a "favor" as opposed to a release, and the Mariners did select Farris, although he never again played at the MLB level.

Do you know who was not moved this week to the San Antonio roster from where he had been, on the Biloxi roster? RHP Luke Barker. I am thinking that is outstanding news for Barker's chances of being added to the 40-man today. If he's not, he literally could be plucked in the minor league phase for short money and no limitations. Either that, or that's one heck of an oversight by MiLB's webmasters.

Others not listed on the AAA roster today were almost all lower-level youngsters, but you still may see one or two plucked away in the minor league phase.

Recent minor league free agent signing Jamie Westbrook
Recent re-signing RHP Alec Kenilvort, coming off Tommy John
RHP Wuilder Rodriguez
and the young'uns
RHP Daniel Acosta
RHP Henry Medina
RHP Jose Parra
RHP Joel Pinto
OF/3B Edwin Sano

Now remember, MiLB's pages aren't perfect, they still list Ryon Healy on the AAA roster, and we know he elected free agency two weeks ago. Infielder Angel Ortega is listed, but he's on the restricted list after not reporting to begin 2018.

Take them away and you end up with 35 names (hey, that's room for Westbrook and Kenilvort). So, still not locked in stone, but pretty close.


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Posted: November 20, 2020, 5:47 PM Post
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Via Brewers: C Mario Feliciano, RHP Alec Bettinger and RHP Dylan File have been selected to the 40-man roster, which now stands at 39.


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Posted: November 20, 2020, 6:05 PM Post
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Figured there was a decent chance Brown was getting added, but "only" these 3 weren't at all a surprising selection. I think Henry will be safe in the draft regardless. The last time teams saw him he was in Hi-A, where he put up solid offensive numbers (107 wRC+) but with a 30% strikeout rate. Brewers were one of the teams who didn't share data from their alternate site. He seems to be an adequate defender behind the plate, but he's not a defensive wizard and his bat in all likelyhood isn't MLB-ready at all. In other words, he'll be a tough player to keep on a MLB roster for an entire season, even with a 26-man roster. Good chance he gets returned if picked IMO. I like him as a prospect, just don't think he's someone who teams will use a rule 5 pick on.

IMO guys like Jankins, QTC or Barker are players I think teams wouldn't mind having on the AAA shuttle; but not having the, eh, option to option them is why so many guys like them are passed over in the rule 5 draft. Brown I expected to be taken last year and I was wrong, so not gonna predict anything.


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Posted: November 20, 2020, 8:53 PM Post
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Legitimately surprised by Brown not getting a spot. Brown and Bettinger are the same age. If Bettinger and File were better, one of them should have been on the playoff taxi squad, and if Brown was better, he should have been added today. I hope they aren't just being cute figuring that if he passed through last year he will again this year.

As for Barker, if he isn't on the AAA protected list, I wonder if it is a Farris situation (Didn't they do the same for someone else, maybe Gindl or Halton?). He's an older prospect and after not being asked to the alternate site this year (or as an NRI in spring training if I remember correctly) he might have asked the Brewers to leave him exposed if he wasn't in their plans. Depending on how things shake out they could have four 40-man guys plus Andrews, who was at the alternate site, in the AAA bullpen this season.


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Posted: November 24, 2020, 5:25 PM Post
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Legitimately surprised by Brown not getting a spot. Brown and Bettinger are the same age.


Wasn’t Brown left unprotected last year and not selected?


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Posted: November 24, 2020, 7:00 PM Post
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wildcat83 said:
CheeseheadInQC said:
Legitimately surprised by Brown not getting a spot. Brown and Bettinger are the same age.


Wasn’t Brown left unprotected last year and not selected?


He was, but the Brewers apparently thought enough of him to have him on the taxi squad for the playoffs, the other teams know that too, and he was a fairly well-regarded prospect before his disastrous 2019. As I said before, if he was the best of the three last year, don't get cute and assume that he'll pass through again. If he wasn't, then why not take Bettinger or File as the taxi squad starter?


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Posted: November 24, 2020, 9:56 PM Post
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I hope the Brewers don't lose Brown I hate losing Arms.


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Posted: November 26, 2020, 10:08 PM Post
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Peyton Henry was mentioned as a possible Tiger pick.

https://motorcitybengals.com/2020/11/25/detroit-tigers-rule-5-2020-options/amp/


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Posted: December 03, 2020, 12:43 PM Post

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newly signed zach green is eligible for the rule 5 draft.


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Posted: December 10, 2020, 2:30 AM Post
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Updated list of what we believe to be the Brewers farmhands eligible to be plucked in Rule 5 today:

Alphabetical within level (highest level reached)

SAN ANTONIO:

RHP Luke Barker
RHP Zack Brown
RHP Bubba Derby
3B Lucas Erceg
3B/1B Zach Green
RHP Thomas Jankins
RHP Miguel Sanchez
LHP Quintin Torres-Costa
OF Jamie Westbrook

BILOXI:

1B/OF Ryan Aguilar
RHP Jesus Castillo
1B Luis Castro
RHP Luis Contreras
RHP Bowden Francis
OF/C Cooper Hummel
OF Alexander Palma
1B Chad Spanberger
IF/OF Weston Wilson

CAROLINA:

LHP Cody Beckman
RHP Matt Hardy
C Payton Henry
RHP Robbie Hitt
RHP Alec Kenilvort
LHP Nathan Kirby
RHP Braden Webb

WISCONSIN:

OF Pablo Abreu
RHP Freisis Adames
INF Yeison Coca
RHP Jake Cousins
C Brent Diaz
3B Gabriel Garcia
OF Jesus Lujano
1B/OF Chad McClanahan
SS Antonio Pinero

ROCKY MOUNTAIN / MARYVALE:

RHP Daniel Acosta
RHP Harold Chirino
RHP Brayan Salaya
C Jose Sibrian
RHP Nash Walters


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Posted: December 10, 2020, 2:42 AM Post
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Mass Haas said:
Well, the maneuvering is in, here's the current AAA level roster of the organization, each player listed is eligible to be taken in the MLB Rule 5 and is also protected from the minor league phase of Rule 5.

Specific to positioning, just yesterday, 2015 Competitive Balance Pick (post-first round) LHP Nathan Kirby was specifically moved to Biloxi's roster, and RHP Bubba Derby (Khris Davis deal with Oakland along with Jacob Nottingham) was also placed on Biloxi's roster, direct from San Antonio's. Thus, both are eligible to be plucked in the minor league phase of Rule 5. Remember IF/OF Eric Farris years ago? The Brewers somewhat surprisingly exposed Farris to the Minor League Phase in 2012 (he had already played in the big leagues with the Crew, but had been outrighted and the Brewers still owned his rights). Doug Melvin later explained it was a "favor" as opposed to a release, and the Mariners did select Farris, although he never again played at the MLB level.

Do you know who was not moved this week to the San Antonio roster from where he had been, on the Biloxi roster? RHP Luke Barker. If he's not, he literally could be plucked in the minor league phase for short money and no limitations. Either that, or that's one heck of an oversight by MiLB's webmasters.

Others not listed on the AAA roster today were almost all lower-level youngsters, but you still may see one or two plucked away in the minor league phase.

Recent minor league free agent signing Jamie Westbrook
Recent re-signing RHP Alec Kenilvort, coming off Tommy John
and the young'uns
RHP Daniel Acosta
RHP Henry Medina

Now remember, MiLB's pages aren't perfect, they still list Ryon Healy on the AAA roster, and we know he elected free agency weeks ago and is now set to play in Korea. Infielder Angel Ortega is listed, but he's on the restricted list after not reporting to begin 2018.


These transactions were copied from MiLB.com on the day the Brewers adjusted rosters:

11/19/2020 LHP Nathan Kirby assigned to Biloxi Shuckers from Carolina Mudcats.
11/19/2020 RHP Bubba Derby assigned to Biloxi Shuckers from San Antonio Missions.


Oh, and here's an update on Luke Barker's status:

Yes, it was an oversight, as noted as a possibility above. I've been able to confirm that Barker is indeed protected on the AAA level, meaning he's still a definite candidate to be plucked by a major league team in Rule 5, but he won't be virtually given away in the minor league phase.


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Posted: December 10, 2020, 10:56 AM Post
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For as much as we complain about the Corey Ray pick, the guy picked right before him (who a number of folks around here wanted) has fared much worse and despite being available today is highly unlikely to be picked.


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Posted: December 10, 2020, 11:01 AM Post
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I saw this name on the Rule 5 eligible list........Number 4 pick in the draft only a few years ago........bust city
13. Riley Pint, RHP, Rockies
Pint is the closest thing this class has to a pig in a poke. He has a recognizable name (the byproduct of being drafted fourth overall in 2016) as well as big-time stuff and late-inning potential. "Potential" is a spectrum and not a binary, however, and the chances of Pint reaching his ceiling appear remote. He had 55 combined walks, hit batsmen, and wild pitches in 17 2/3 innings in 2019, or more than one command-related oopsie per recorded out. Pint isn't able to repeat his release point, and his delivery imparts some nasty torque on his head that causes his neck to twist in a fashion previously imagined only by William Peter Blatty. He's almost certainly more than a few weeks with a different organization away from putting things together.


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Posted: December 10, 2020, 11:14 AM Post
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Lots of teams taking players in the Rule 5 this year (12 of the first 14 teams took someone), but the Brewers at #15 have passed in the major league portion of the draft.

EDIT: 18 total players were taken in the major league portion of the Rule 5 Draft.

Here is the now completed the major league portion of the Rule 5 Draft (two teams took a second player):

1. Pittsburgh Pirates -- Jose Soriano, RHP (Angels)
2. Texas Rangers -- Brett de Geus, RHP (Dodgers)
3. Detroit Tigers -- Akil Baddoo, OF (Twins)
4. Boston Red Sox -- Garrett Whitlock, RHP (Yankees)
5. Baltimore Orioles -- Mac Sceroler, RHP (Reds)
6. Arizona Diamondbacks -- Zach Pop, RHP (Orioles)
7. Kansas City Royals -- Pass
8. Colorado Rockies -- Jordan Sheffield, RHP (Dodgers)
9. Los Angeles Angels -- Jose Alberto Rivera, RHP (Astros)
10. New York Mets -- Luis Oviedo, RHP (Indians)
11. Washington Nationals -- Pass
12. Seattle Mariners -- Will Vest, RHP (Tigers)
13. Philadelphia Phillies -- Kyle Holder, SS (Yankees)
14. San Francisco Giants -- Dedniel Nunez, RHP (Mets)
15. Milwaukee Brewers -- Pass
16. Houston Astros -- Pass
17. Miami Marlins -- Paul Campbell, RHP (Rays)
18. Cincinnati Reds -- Pass
19. St. Louis Cardinals -- Pass
20. Toronto Blue Jays -- Pass
21. New York Yankees -- Pass
22. Chicago Cubs -- Gray Fenter, RHP (Orioles)
23. Chicago White Sox -- Pass
24. Cleveland Indians -- Trevor Stephan, RHP (Yankees)
25. Atlanta Braves -- Pass
26. Oakland A's -- Ka'ai Tom, OF (Indians)
27. Minnesota Twins -- Pass
28. San Diego Padres -- Pass
29. Tampa Bay Rays -- Pass
30. Los Angeles Dodgers -- Pass

ROUND 2

4. Baltimore Orioles -- Tyler Wells, RHP (Twins)
14. Oakland Athletics -- Dany Jimenez, RHP (Blue Jays)


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So Brewers don't lose Henry or Brown.....well done Stearns.
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Payton Henry is a good prospect who was left unprotected in the Rule 5 Draft. He went unpicked. Tough to carry an inexperienced catcher in the big leagues.


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Posted: December 10, 2020, 11:33 AM Post
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The Brewers also passed in the Triple-A portion of the Rule 5 Draft.

I understand why teams shy away from making picks in the major league portion, but am always surprised when they don't take someone in the minor league portion. It's even less risk, and occasionally has a big payoff.

In addition to not selecting anyone the Brewers didn't have any of their minor league players selected in the Triple-A portion of the Rule 5 Draft.


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