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2017-06-23: Brewers (Nelson) at Braves (Foltynewicz) 6:35 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 5-4]

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adambr2 said:
I didn't see it so I'm just going by what they said on the radio, but unless Thames was clearly out it makes no sense why Counsell wouldn't at least try to challenge that.


He was clearly out.


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Yeah just a series of unfortunate events combined with a couple errors and it equates to this loss. Crap.

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adambr2 said:
I didn't see it so I'm just going by what they said on the radio, but unless Thames was clearly out it makes no sense why Counsell wouldn't at least try to challenge that.


He was clearly out.


Gotcha, on the radio they said Thames might have snuck a hand in there.


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Did everything they could in those last couple innings. Hit the crap out of the ball, just came up one run short. The #1 draft pick saved the Braves in the 9th.


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Too bad, this was a very winnable game, lost on bad D and bad luck.


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Ball was hit behind him. 9 times out of 10 the SS goes to 1B. Can't really blame Thames for a great play.


I disagree. That was not a difficult play. And in that situation they are going to go for the out at third. Thames knows he is not fast and that was not smart base running.


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adambr2 said:
I didn't see it so I'm just going by what they said on the radio, but unless Thames was clearly out it makes no sense why Counsell wouldn't at least try to challenge that.


He was certainly out but not clearly out. And it's up the umpires now, Craig can't challenge he can only ask them to look at it.


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0 and 25 now when trailing after 8, yikes.


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Taylor Blue said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Ball was hit behind him. 9 times out of 10 the SS goes to 1B. Can't really blame Thames for a great play.


I disagree. That was not a difficult play. And in that situation they are going to go for the out at third. Thames knows he is not fast and that was not smart base running.


And I'm going to disagree with you. Swanson was going up the middle away from third base. Almost never is a SS going to make that throw to 3B when there's an easy out at 1B.


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Posted: June 23, 2017, 9:01 PM Post
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jerichoholicninja said:
adambr2 said:
I didn't see it so I'm just going by what they said on the radio, but unless Thames was clearly out it makes no sense why Counsell wouldn't at least try to challenge that.


He was certainly out but not clearly out. And it's up the umpires now, Craig can't challenge he can only ask them to look at it.


I think we've seen enough of the replay system to know by now that if you want them to look at it, they'll look at it.

I didn't see it and it sounds like it wouldn't have mattered but if it's remotely questionable there's no reason not to ask.


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jerichoholicninja said:
Taylor Blue said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Ball was hit behind him. 9 times out of 10 the SS goes to 1B. Can't really blame Thames for a great play.


I disagree. That was not a difficult play. And in that situation they are going to go for the out at third. Thames knows he is not fast and that was not smart base running.


And I'm going to disagree with you. Swanson was going up the middle away from third base. Almost never is a SS going to make that throw to 3B when there's an easy out at 1B.


That's fine. I think I would agree with you if it was a runner with decent speed, but Thames is not the quickest. And the SS knows that. Yes it was close, but I don't think that risk was worth taking there.


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Taylor Blue said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Ball was hit behind him. 9 times out of 10 the SS goes to 1B. Can't really blame Thames for a great play.


I disagree. That was not a difficult play. And in that situation they are going to go for the out at third. Thames knows he is not fast and that was not smart base running.


And I'm going to disagree with you. Swanson was going up the middle away from third base. Almost never is a SS going to make that throw to 3B when there's an easy out at 1B.


Plus, there was a very good chance - from Thames' point of view - that the ball was going up the middle. It obviously was closer to Swanson than he thought, but breaking for third is pretty much automatic when the ball is hit to your left.


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Posted: June 23, 2017, 9:06 PM Post
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He was out and it wasn't questionable.

It was a very nice play by their SS. Not the best play ever but a great reaction to the situation. A step slower and it's 1sr and 3rd with no one out and we are all happy that he took the chance.

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Posted: June 23, 2017, 9:10 PM Post
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Swanson has to field a hard hit grounder, spin around 360 and throw blindly to 3rd base. That throw is off by a foot and he's safe. The ball was hit behind him as well, so it's not like it was a routine grounder right to Swanson. Hell, there was a decent chance that ball wouldn't have been fielded cleanly.

Hell of a play by Swanson to get the out.

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Posted: June 24, 2017, 7:24 AM Post
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It was a bad decision by Swanson but he pulled it off. I don't have a big issue with Thames running on that play either. There are so many ways that play can go bad for Atlanta many of which let Thames score.


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