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2017-07-30: Cubs (Lackey) at Brewers (Davies) 1:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-2]

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Posted: July 30, 2017, 3:44 PM Post
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It is a shame that the guys are just not hitting consistently right now. First place for the Crew was nice while it lasted and we'll have that at least.

Now to take care of the Cards or else they'll take over second place from the Crew.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 3:49 PM Post
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Boomer5 said:
RoCoBrewfan said:
adambr2 said:
Offense couldn't have been more loud and clear in their message this series: 'We are not ready for a pennant race or a playoff series '


Slumps happen. The offense has avoided any prolongued slump all year long. This is just happening at a bad time. Its not an indication of anything other than theyre in a slump.


Ehh.....it's more of an indication that this spin. Looks more like a regression to the mean than a simple slump unless people think Sogard was actually Rogers Hornsby and Thames was Barry Bonds.

If you come up small in a big series it's not a good sign. Which is a shame because our pitching staff came up huge.


Its not that thames has been poor mans adam dunn instead of puljos. Its not sogard regressing. Its a near all inclusive lack of plate discipline for an entire series. Take the a few more bad pitches and its easily a 2-1 series win. But the cubs would have been behind in the count a disgustingly high rate had our swings not bailed them out.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 4:01 PM Post
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How many times has Brinson, Thames, Arcia, Pina, Shaw or Santana faced a quality pitching staff? Not many. Give them a break.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 4:06 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
adambr2 said:
Offense couldn't have been more loud and clear in their message this series: 'We are not ready for a pennant race or a playoff series '


Slumps happen. The offense has avoided any prolongued slump all year long. This is just happening at a bad time. Its not an indication of anything other than theyre in a slump.


Slumps happen. 31 consecutive failed RISP opportunities does not just 'happen' to an anemic offense, let alone a good one. And the fact that it happened in the biggest series of the year was not some freak coincidence of a bad thing at a bad time. It happens because players pressed, got too tight, lost focus and gave us horrible ABs in key situations.

They couldn't handle the pressure of this series. It may be the elephant in the room but they simply choked. Honestly, the Cubs' pitching wasn't even all that good this series.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 4:29 PM Post
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The cards have owned the Brewers in the past not looking forward to this series


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 5:01 PM Post
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Looks like Chris Christie discovered the magic of Miller Park's loaded nachos...


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 5:14 PM Post
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adambr2 said:

Slumps happen. 31 consecutive failed RISP opportunities does not just 'happen' to an anemic offense, let alone a good one. And the fact that it happened in the biggest series of the year was not some freak coincidence of a bad thing at a bad time. It happens because players pressed, got too tight, lost focus and gave us horrible ABs in key situations.

They couldn't handle the pressure of this series. It may be the elephant in the room but they simply choked. Honestly, the Cubs' pitching wasn't even all that good this series.


How does everyone know it was pressure and they arent "mentally tough?" How do people know this and just state it factually? In 162 games teams have bad patches and sometimes it happens in big series. Invariably when it does, the armchair qbs seem to know without a doubt that these guys lack toughness or some magic mental ability to want to win.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 5:45 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
adambr2 said:

Slumps happen. 31 consecutive failed RISP opportunities does not just 'happen' to an anemic offense, let alone a good one. And the fact that it happened in the biggest series of the year was not some freak coincidence of a bad thing at a bad time. It happens because players pressed, got too tight, lost focus and gave us horrible ABs in key situations.

They couldn't handle the pressure of this series. It may be the elephant in the room but they simply choked. Honestly, the Cubs' pitching wasn't even all that good this series.


How does everyone know it was pressure and they arent "mentally tough?" How do people know this and just state it factually? In 162 games teams have bad patches and sometimes it happens in big series. Invariably when it does, the armchair qbs seem to know without a doubt that these guys lack toughness or some magic mental ability to want to win.


This is a great post. People seem to forget that the Cubs were just as bad with guys on base in this series, I guess they all lack mental toughness too. It was an incredibly close three game series that came down to a few bounces one way or the other. Contreras really came through today with that clutch hit that went about 50 feet to break the scoreless tie. Give me a break.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 5:47 PM Post
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brewmann04 said:
The cards have owned the Brewers in the past not looking forward to this series


Not this year. It's a completely different brewer team compared to the one from a few years ago that the Cardinals owned.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 7:14 PM Post
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rcc said:
Double play to end it. Losing two of three to the Cubs at home with all the Cubs fans in Miller Park rejoicing. I wouldn't want to be at the game going home right now to witness it.


My girlfriend and her hubby were there today. Until our team is good consistently I won't go to a Brewer/Cub game at Miller Park for all the tea in China. [tongue]


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 7:21 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
adambr2 said:

Slumps happen. 31 consecutive failed RISP opportunities does not just 'happen' to an anemic offense, let alone a good one. And the fact that it happened in the biggest series of the year was not some freak coincidence of a bad thing at a bad time. It happens because players pressed, got too tight, lost focus and gave us horrible ABs in key situations.

They couldn't handle the pressure of this series. It may be the elephant in the room but they simply choked. Honestly, the Cubs' pitching wasn't even all that good this series.


How does everyone know it was pressure and they arent "mentally tough?" How do people know this and just state it factually? In 162 games teams have bad patches and sometimes it happens in big series. Invariably when it does, the armchair qbs seem to know without a doubt that these guys lack toughness or some magic mental ability to want to win.


Agreed. They seemed pretty mentally tough when they were winning the division when no one else gave them a chance... I think claiming they are not mentally tough is a reach, they are after all, professional athletes.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 8:03 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Slumps happen. 31 consecutive failed RISP opportunities does not just 'happen' to an anemic offense, let alone a good one. And the fact that it happened in the biggest series of the year was not some freak coincidence of a bad thing at a bad time. It happens because players pressed, got too tight, lost focus and gave us horrible ABs in key situations.

The "mentally tough" part is very debatable. However, the last sentence of this paragraph is pretty much spot on. Whether that is mentally tough or not, I don't know, but you don't need to do much research to see that the Cubs bullpen walks a lot of hitters, and based on that you cannot have an aggressive approach at the plate where you decide to swing before the pitch is out of the pitcher's hand.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 8:48 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
adambr2 said:

Slumps happen. 31 consecutive failed RISP opportunities does not just 'happen' to an anemic offense, let alone a good one. And the fact that it happened in the biggest series of the year was not some freak coincidence of a bad thing at a bad time. It happens because players pressed, got too tight, lost focus and gave us horrible ABs in key situations.

They couldn't handle the pressure of this series. It may be the elephant in the room but they simply choked. Honestly, the Cubs' pitching wasn't even all that good this series.


How does everyone know it was pressure and they arent "mentally tough?" How do people know this and just state it factually? In 162 games teams have bad patches and sometimes it happens in big series. Invariably when it does, the armchair qbs seem to know without a doubt that these guys lack toughness or some magic mental ability to want to win.


I never said 'mentally tough,' so I don't know why that's been quoted a couple times. I would agree it's debatable because I really don't know what it means. I said they choked, and I'll stand by that. if you want to call that a lack of mental toughness, I guess that's open to interpretation. I also don't know what leading a division in July has to do with mental toughness. I also certainly never said they don't 'want' to win so I don't know why you associated that with my post. I'm sure they want to win very badly. I'm not stating anything factually -- like most other things posted, it's a matter of opinion and individual interpretation.

Here's what I do know: the ABs in this series, particularly in the late innings, were collectively the worst ABs I have seen this season. Numerous times we lost much-needed baserunners simply from a player trying to do to much and swinging at a 3-1 pitch that would have been Ball 4. I don't know the reason, but I was and remain highly disappointed that they would make those kinds of mistakes time and time again in such a critical series.

I understand there's times in baseball you just tip your cap to great pitching. This series wasn't one of those times.


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Posted: July 30, 2017, 10:46 PM Post
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"My girlfriend and her hubby"

Wait....what???


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GAME05 said:
"My girlfriend and her hubby"

Wait....what???

[laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

Pugger is female, I think. So in that context the statement becomes a lot less scandalous. [smile]


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The team wasn't hitting well way before this series. For whatever reason the teams offense came out of the all star break cold. They aren't the only team that came out of it cold. This is the normal ebb and flow of a baseball season. We aren't as good as the big hot streak right before the break and we aren't as bad as the slump after it.


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adambr2 said:
GAME05 said:
"My girlfriend and her hubby"

Wait....what???

[laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

Pugger is female, I think. So in that context the statement becomes a lot less scandalous. [smile]


Yes, I'm female. I guess if you didn't know that my post would look scandalous. [laughing]


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Posted: August 01, 2017, 3:28 AM Post
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owbc said:
Looks like Chris Christie discovered the magic of Miller Park's loaded nachos...

And yet even he still has more plate discipline than the Brewers.

Oh, and hello.


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