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2017-08-06: Brewers (Nelson) at Rays (Archer) 12:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 2-1]

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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:04 PM Post
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Blowing that start by Nelson is inexcusable. This is such a horrible offense. And if Santana is really hurt this isn't getting better anytime soon.


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Bunts dont always work, and with a high k guy like broxton coming up its not necessarily the right decision.

Using Barnes in another high leverage situation, I just cant wrap my head around.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:05 PM Post
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Broxton won't put the ball in play so you don't bunt to get to him.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:06 PM Post
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Yeah I'm not sure a bunt is a smart move with your slow running catcher with strike out machines behind him.

I'll take Barnes over Hughes or Drake in general. I don't know what to think of Hader, his peripherals have still been just awful so I don't trust him even a little bit. Hard to blame the manager on this one. The offense has to figure it out, they have an OPS right around .650 since the all star break and that isn't going to work.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:06 PM Post
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Broxton shouldn't be in the lineup. Barnes shouldn't be pitching in close games. Broxton is a defensive specialist.

A lot of things to like with this team. A lot of things to dislike with this team. The end of this game proves that.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:06 PM Post
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And contact isn't necessarily going to work for Broxton because the Rays would play the infield in and do everything they can to prevent the run from scoring.

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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:07 PM Post
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Despite the walkoff a great game for all 12,129 that bothered to show up.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:07 PM Post
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Boomer5 said:
Broxton won't put the ball in play so you don't bunt to get to him.

Except he did put the ball in play. You can't play scared of the strikeout.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:07 PM Post
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Take the bat out of one of your better hitters for one of your worst, maybe the worst. That isn't a great plan. Pina smoked that ball. Just some bad luck or we are looking at the Brewers scoring at least one and Knebel hopefully putting this one to bed. That's baseball.


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The Counsell decision making has been atrocious the last month. He doesn't seem to have a very good feel for the game. He manages like he used to hit, same bad batting stance over and over and over.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:10 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
The people that are on the bunt train are probably the first that would comment on here of how stupid CC was if if it didn't work out.

The bunt is great if you didn't have back holes like Broxton in your lineup.


2nd and 3rd with no outs, tie game in the 9th. The only way that isn't an automatic bunt is if you've got 3, 4, or 5 up. Everyone else shouldn't even have to ask.


Not to mention scoring anything has been incredibly difficult. You got 6 runs for the series... you force 1 in and go to hader. Bunt doesnt work I blame pina. Broxton fails to get 1 in I blame broxton. An inept offense destroys analytical decision making.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:11 PM Post
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15,000+ yesterday, 12,000+ today. What a weekend of baseball for the many fans of the Tampa Bay area. They don't care and it's got to be hard for a player there.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:11 PM Post
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Boomer5 said:
Broxton won't put the ball in play so you don't bunt to get to him.


I kind of get that but can't he squeeze in a run? Pina hit it hard but that took all the pressure off. Barnes decision was dumbfounding. Hughes could have coughed it up too but at least he was fresh. Or go with Knebel. Hader still in witness protection. Barnes has been their worst reliever not named Drake since the break.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:13 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
Bunts dont always work, and with a high k guy like broxton coming up its not necessarily the right decision.

Using Barnes in another high leverage situation, I just cant wrap my head around.


1 of our 6 runs in 26 innings was caused by a wild pitch and you think bunting is a bad idea. When the offense is this bad you force runs across any way you can and swing away isnt working.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:14 PM Post
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I don't know what to think of Hader, his peripherals have still been just awful so I don't trust him even a little bit.


Im not sure how you or anyone can make this comment. You don't trust him at all? He has only stepped in when asked and got the job done.

Edited: removed your condescension


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:14 PM Post
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Despite the walkoff a great game for all 12,129 that bothered to show up.


Tom, sorry about your arrest last week.

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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:22 PM Post
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I wanted Hader to get the ball for the 9th today. And i expected a 1 run lead until CC decided to go with blind numbers and go for the big inning with a team that hasn't had a big inning in a month. You know... computers say we are due!


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:29 PM Post
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MLB had pitch at 98 mph down the middle. Now how many posters hate on Suter and Davies for junk?


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:31 PM Post
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TJseven7 said:
RoCoBrewfan said:
Bunts dont always work, and with a high k guy like broxton coming up its not necessarily the right decision.

Using Barnes in another high leverage situation, I just cant wrap my head around.


1 of our 6 runs in 26 innings was caused by a wild pitch and you think bunting is a bad idea. When the offense is this bad you force runs across any way you can and swing away isnt working.


I didnt say it was a bad idea. I said it wasnt necessarily the right decision. People are making this black and white, which it is not. The assumption is that Pina automatically gets the bunt down and moves the runners over. That is not a guarantee. Then you have a very poor contact hitter in Broxton. He k's 40% of the time. Youre giving up an out for potentially no advantage, and potentially giving up an out without moving runners. When people call for bunts they always assume best case scenario of runners moved over.

With a man on 3rd even contact doesnt guarantee that you score thr runner. Popups, shallow fly ball, hard ground outs....

The end point is this; given the scenario its reasonable for some to argue that with a man already on 2nd, having 3 chances for a run scoring hit is better than 2 chances for some kind of run scoring contact. It wasnt a black and white "yes" for a bunt.


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Posted: August 06, 2017, 2:36 PM Post
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I'm so sick of the nay sayers of old school move the runners baseball. No one can bunt well enough for them. Broxton strikes out 100% of the time right? For numbers people they sure do ignore a lot of them then act like they are the final say and decades of baseball minds are just old and stupid.

Manufacturing runs... teams have tried it for ages... they weren't all idiots... offenses in a funk need to do it... but blind stats man... and k hitters man.

Just say it computer guys... you dont want to see a single bunt ever. Maybe some pitchers but only if they bunt well and hit miserably.


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