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2017-08-22: Brewers (Nelson) at Giants (Samardzija) 9:15 PM CDT [Brewers win, 4-3]

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Posted: August 22, 2017, 11:31 PM Post
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K-nebel strikes again!

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Posted: August 22, 2017, 11:34 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
MrTPlush said:
adambr2 said:
I get that Counsell is still a young manager but he really needs to start developing a little better feel for managing his pen and picking the right spots of when to ride a situation out and when to bail on a guy who clearly doesn't have it.

Hader was dominant tonight. He's not a LOOGY. This was (is) a 1 run game that we need. Not every decision needs to be matchup based. Sometimes a guy just has it that night, and another guy doesn't. Hader had it tonight, Swarzak did not. Fortunately he got lucky and there was no harm done, but next time might not work out that way.


I would have to agree with you. Josh Hader is a legit bullpen force when on. I will pitch him against anyone in the majors when he can locate his pitches just a little bit.



Not disagreeing with either of you but was tonight the beginning of seeing Hader as more of the 7th inning man? He got four outs and pitch count in the 20's so maybe it's CC's feeling to get him out to possible use tomorrow?'

I hope not, I despise any pen strategy that gives a guy the inning just based on what number inning it is, with the possible exception of the closer in the 9th since I know everyone does that and will continue to anyway.


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Posted: August 22, 2017, 11:35 PM Post
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Day game tomorrow. Dangit, Mrs. Oldguy has a list for me.


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Posted: August 22, 2017, 11:36 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
Well that was a fun win. Lets get another big road series win tomorrow.


Definitely a big one. Not an especially dominant one but one of those in which it's hard to think of anyone who played tonight who didn't contribute to the win in some way. Nice team win.


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Posted: August 22, 2017, 11:37 PM Post
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oldguy said:
Day game tomorrow. Dangit, Mrs. Oldguy has a list for me.


Still west coast though!

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Posted: August 23, 2017, 5:34 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
I get that Counsell is still a young manager but he really needs to start developing a little better feel for managing his pen and picking the right spots of when to ride a situation out and when to bail on a guy who clearly doesn't have it.

Hader was dominant tonight. He's not a LOOGY. This was (is) a 1 run game that we need. Not every decision needs to be matchup based. Sometimes a guy just has it that night, and another guy doesn't. Hader had it tonight, Swarzak did not. Fortunately he got lucky and there was no harm done, but next time might not work out that way.



I'm going to disagree, Josh Hader has been shaky as heck this season. Even protecting him against righties he has an xFIP over 4.5. He just walks too many guys and doesn't get any groundballs. I don't want him in big situations unless it is against a lefty. Don't let the low ERA fool you, that is meaningless in a small sample when someone else is usually coming in to clean up your mess, Hader has not pitched well at all this year. He obviously has dominant stuff and that can save a lot of mistakes but I think Counsell is using him exactly like he should until Hader shows some sort of command of his pitches.


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Posted: August 23, 2017, 5:48 AM Post
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Pleasant surprise to see the team pulled out a win, after I'd gone to bed last night.

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Posted: August 23, 2017, 9:38 AM Post
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Ennder said:
adambr2 said:
I get that Counsell is still a young manager but he really needs to start developing a little better feel for managing his pen and picking the right spots of when to ride a situation out and when to bail on a guy who clearly doesn't have it.

Hader was dominant tonight. He's not a LOOGY. This was (is) a 1 run game that we need. Not every decision needs to be matchup based. Sometimes a guy just has it that night, and another guy doesn't. Hader had it tonight, Swarzak did not. Fortunately he got lucky and there was no harm done, but next time might not work out that way.



I'm going to disagree, Josh Hader has been shaky as heck this season. Even protecting him against righties he has an xFIP over 4.5. He just walks too many guys and doesn't get any groundballs. I don't want him in big situations unless it is against a lefty. Don't let the low ERA fool you, that is meaningless in a small sample when someone else is usually coming in to clean up your mess, Hader has not pitched well at all this year. He obviously has dominant stuff and that can save a lot of mistakes but I think Counsell is using him exactly like he should until Hader shows some sort of command of his pitches.


According to baseball reference, in 68 PA since the all star break, Hader has struck out 24 guys, walked 9, allowed 11 hits(5 2b 0 hr) and a slash line of 196/338/286 with a 344 BABIP. A 13% walk rate is still high, but it's a sign of progress for sure. For comparison, Knebel is at a 13.7% BB rate on the season, Barnes is at 10%, Andrew Miller at 8%. This damages the BABIP argument considerably as 344 is pretty high and he still managed a 624 OPS against and 1.69 ERA over the 2nd half(it was 0.73 1st half, he was lucky 1st half without question).

Saying Hader has not pitched well at all this year is absolutely foolish commentary. I'm not going to argue he's been dominant, but he's been solid at worst and very effective overall. I dunno what it is about people on this board pointing out one advanced metric that fits their line of thinking while ignoring 100 others that prove their point to be silly. I could say "hey look at his k rate, he's the best pitcher in baseball"...but that too would be foolish for the exact same reasons your comment is foolish. Is it that hard to believe that guys don't make good contact against him because his stuff is so filthy? Or that he's very clearly improved since his first 6 appearances at the major league level that are driving down his season ratios?


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Posted: August 23, 2017, 10:09 AM Post
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Invader3K said:
Pleasant surprise to see the team pulled out a win, after I'd gone to bed last night.


I was watching the game last night and woke up during the post game show and found out we came from behind and won! [laughing]


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Posted: August 23, 2017, 10:46 AM Post
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Shaw's RBI double the close game winner. Nice win. Now for another this afternoon.


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Posted: August 23, 2017, 10:50 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
Ennder said:
adambr2 said:
I get that Counsell is still a young manager but he really needs to start developing a little better feel for managing his pen and picking the right spots of when to ride a situation out and when to bail on a guy who clearly doesn't have it.

Hader was dominant tonight. He's not a LOOGY. This was (is) a 1 run game that we need. Not every decision needs to be matchup based. Sometimes a guy just has it that night, and another guy doesn't. Hader had it tonight, Swarzak did not. Fortunately he got lucky and there was no harm done, but next time might not work out that way.



I'm going to disagree, Josh Hader has been shaky as heck this season. Even protecting him against righties he has an xFIP over 4.5. He just walks too many guys and doesn't get any groundballs. I don't want him in big situations unless it is against a lefty. Don't let the low ERA fool you, that is meaningless in a small sample when someone else is usually coming in to clean up your mess, Hader has not pitched well at all this year. He obviously has dominant stuff and that can save a lot of mistakes but I think Counsell is using him exactly like he should until Hader shows some sort of command of his pitches.


According to baseball reference, in 68 PA since the all star break, Hader has struck out 24 guys, walked 9, allowed 11 hits(5 2b 0 hr) and a slash line of 196/338/286 with a 344 BABIP. A 13% walk rate is still high, but it's a sign of progress for sure. For comparison, Knebel is at a 13.7% BB rate on the season, Barnes is at 10%, Andrew Miller at 8%. This damages the BABIP argument considerably as 344 is pretty high and he still managed a 624 OPS against and 1.69 ERA over the 2nd half(it was 0.73 1st half, he was lucky 1st half without question).

Saying Hader has not pitched well at all this year is absolutely foolish commentary. I'm not going to argue he's been dominant, but he's been solid at worst and very effective overall. I dunno what it is about people on this board pointing out one advanced metric that fits their line of thinking while ignoring 100 others that prove their point to be silly. I could say "hey look at his k rate, he's the best pitcher in baseball"...but that too would be foolish for the exact same reasons your comment is foolish. Is it that hard to believe that guys don't make good contact against him because his stuff is so filthy? Or that he's very clearly improved since his first 6 appearances at the major league level that are driving down his season ratios?


He threw 4 different 53 foot pitches last night. He clearly still is lacking control.

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Posted: August 23, 2017, 1:57 PM Post
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Baldkin said:
He threw 4 different 53 foot pitches last night. He clearly still is lacking control.

He threw 21 pitches to 4 batters with 67% of them as strikes. That's an average of 5.25 pitches/batter and he struck out 3 of them. He threw 1 ball to the 1st batter, 1 ball to the 2nd batter, K'd Crawford on full count, 2 balls to the 4th batter. Yeah, he "clearly" was lacking control last night.

And no, he didn't throw 4 pitches 53 feet because that means each of those pitches would have landed 7 feet in front of the plate. Shocking - more posts with false information as the backbone for their reasoning. Keep doing you, brewerfan.net


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