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2017-08-26: Brewers (Davies) at Dodgers (Stripling) 8:10 PM CDT [Brewers win, 3-0]

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Posted: August 26, 2017, 9:51 PM Post
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Thames is very average, borderline bad.


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 9:53 PM Post
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If Brewers didn't have Walker things would be even worse. He has to be looking around saying "I can't believe these trashbags strike out so much".


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:04 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
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I'm really trying hard to recall without looking it up when the last time Braun went yard was.

Dude is still a good player, but he's no longer a special one. He looks basically like a .270 hitter who will give you a .850 OPS and 15-20 HR in 110-120 games.

I guess if there's a silver lining he's stayed generally healthy since he came back from the DL.

Just give us decent numbers and 120 games a year the next 3 years and I'll be happy. It appears the point of him drawing any real trade interest has come and gone.


August 12th against the Reds. Before that it was July 22nd against the Phillies. Before that it was July 14th against the Phillies. Interesting that 7 of his 13 home runs this year have come against the Phillies or Reds.


While Braun needs to do a better job with RISP, adambr2 is overreacting a bit here. He hit 30 a year ago. 25 a year before that. Is he in a slump at the moment? Sure. But just a week ago many places reported how he had his highest hit velocity and line drive rate of his career and was just in a bad luck streak. He still is a very special hitter. Unfortunately this season hasn't been of all much luck to him. Hopefully that turns around down the stretch.


Not really. His BABIP is .305 which is a little low but not ridiculously off his career norms, which at this point in his career are likely going to trend to the lower side. There's a reason, actually a lot of reasons there wasn't trade interest in him this year.

He's been hitting the ball hard at times in this stretch and popping up at others. 15-20 HR and 110-120 games definitely seems about right this year. I guess 'special hitter' depends on your definition but I don't look at him as one of the elites in MLB anymore.


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:10 PM Post
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Great win for the brew crew!


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:10 PM Post
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First 3 guys could have eaaaaaasily been on base.


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:11 PM Post
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Well they didn't get swept and at least won 4 on the WC trip. No help tonight unfortunately.


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What a performance by Davies and the pen.


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:14 PM Post
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First 3 guys could have eaaaaaasily been on base.


Oh... my....


Give it a rest buddy.


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:19 PM Post
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adambr2 said:

While Braun needs to do a better job with RISP, adambr2 is overreacting a bit here. He hit 30 a year ago. 25 a year before that. Is he in a slump at the moment? Sure. But just a week ago many places reported how he had his highest hit velocity and line drive rate of his career and was just in a bad luck streak. He still is a very special hitter. Unfortunately this season hasn't been of all much luck to him. Hopefully that turns around down the stretch.


Not really. His BABIP is .305 which is a little low but not ridiculously off his career norms, which at this point in his career are likely going to trend to the lower side. There's a reason, actually a lot of reasons there wasn't trade interest in him this year.

He's been hitting the ball hard at times in this stretch and popping up at others. 15-20 HR and 110-120 games definitely seems about right this year. I guess 'special hitter' depends on your definition but I don't look at him as one of the elites in MLB anymore.


He was so snake bitten for about a two week period. Drop in the 8 more hits that he probably should have had and boom he's at his career norms of .300BA/.900OPS

Hitters like him rarely disappoint. They're special. Consistency is very hard to find at that level. That's why I still call him special. So many guys have 1-3 good seasons and you never hear their name again.


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:19 PM Post
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Needed win.
Great start by Davies and Big pitches made by Swarzak/ Knebel.
Win this road trip tomorrow!


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 10:24 PM Post
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Dodgers DOA and now RIP so sad.


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Thames is very average, borderline bad.


Indeed, he has been below replacement level since April.


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Posted: August 26, 2017, 11:51 PM Post
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Good win, really one you should get when the Dodgers are basically punting the game away with a bullpen day. I wish this were a different era, and useful stats weren't used or available. I made a fun longshot bet on Davies to win the Cy Young when I was in Vegas before the season, $5 to win $3000. Davies is now tied for the league lead in Wins.

If only this was 30 years ago...


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Posted: August 27, 2017, 12:15 AM Post
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I am confident that Davies could have struck out looking, like Broxton did.


Are you confident Davies could hit for a .770 OPS?

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Posted: August 27, 2017, 12:21 AM Post
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Good win, really one you should get when the Dodgers are basically punting the game away with a bullpen day. I wish this were a different era, and useful stats weren't used or available. I made a fun longshot bet on Davies to win the Cy Young when I was in Vegas before the season, $5 to win $3000. Davies is now tied for the league lead in Wins.

If only this was 30 years ago...


Thirty? Try fifteen. Go look up the 2004 NL CY Young.

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Posted: August 27, 2017, 2:10 AM Post
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MoreTrife said:
Thames is very average, borderline bad.


.869 OPS and 123 OPS+ disagrees with "average"

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Posted: August 27, 2017, 7:07 AM Post
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Not really. His BABIP is .305 which is a little low but not ridiculously off his career norms, which at this point in his career are likely going to trend to the lower side. There's a reason, actually a lot of reasons there wasn't trade interest in him this year.

He's been hitting the ball hard at times in this stretch and popping up at others. 15-20 HR and 110-120 games definitely seems about right this year. I guess 'special hitter' depends on your definition but I don't look at him as one of the elites in MLB anymore.


Yes and that reason is because he was hurt, he has full no trade protection and he doesn't want to go to 90% of the teams in the league. Plenty of teams would have gladly traded for Braun if he were healthy, he is going to veto most trades though. His wRC+ was 123 in the first half and that includes a 2 week period where he was playing hurt and went like 1 for 17, that is still pretty elite. He is no longer the ultra elite player he was when he first came up, that is true, but he is one of the top 15 OF in baseball when he is healthy.


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Posted: August 27, 2017, 7:14 AM Post
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MoreTrife said:
Thames is very average, borderline bad.


You can say that but the stats really don't back it up.

his wRC+ per month goes 216, 105, 67, 122. 74.

So one super elite month, one average month, one all star level month and two bad months. It all adds up to a 118 which is close to an all star level player but since it has been so erratic I can't put my finger on exactly how good he is.


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Posted: August 27, 2017, 8:08 AM Post
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Ennder said:
MoreTrife said:
Thames is very average, borderline bad.


You can say that but the stats really don't back it up.

his wRC+ per month goes 216, 105, 67, 122. 74.

So one super elite month, one average month, one all star level month and two bad months. It all adds up to a 118 which is close to an all star level player but since it has been so erratic I can't put my finger on exactly how good he is.


Let's not go overboard here. A 118 wRC+ is about average for 1B. An All-star 1B will put up wRC+ in the 150 range. Votto is 162, Freeman is 161, Goldschmitt is 152.


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