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2017-09-01: Nationals (Roark) at Brewers (Nelson) 7:10 PM CDT (Brewers win 1-0)

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Posted: September 01, 2017, 8:40 PM Post
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Hader. Shutting up the haters. Unreal talent.


He has haters?


Plenty. Many doubters.

“There's a fine line between being confident and cocky, or overconfident. This is an extremely humbling game. But if you don't believe in yourself, no one else is going to believe in you.”


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Posted: September 01, 2017, 8:41 PM Post
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Shaw twice and Aguilar. Man, could this game have been blown open. So close.

“There's a fine line between being confident and cocky, or overconfident. This is an extremely humbling game. But if you don't believe in yourself, no one else is going to believe in you.”


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Ugh Shaw has just missed 2 HRs the last 2 ABs.


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Brew4U said:
MrTPlush said:
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Hader. Shutting up the haters. Unreal talent.


He has haters?


Plenty. Many doubters.


I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


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Posted: September 01, 2017, 8:44 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
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Hader. Shutting up the haters. Unreal talent.


He has haters?


Plenty. Many doubters.


People doubt his ability to go through a lineup multiple times while maintaining control of the two pitches he has and the need for a third. That's not hating.

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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MrTPlush said:
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Plenty. Many doubters.


I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


Sure. Agree to disagree. Seen the comments.

“There's a fine line between being confident and cocky, or overconfident. This is an extremely humbling game. But if you don't believe in yourself, no one else is going to believe in you.”


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Posted: September 01, 2017, 8:45 PM Post
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Brew4U said:

He has haters?


Plenty. Many doubters.[/quote]

I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.[/quote]

Was going to post that exact same thing... Doubting someone's ability to be a starter is not even close to hating on someone. He has his doubters for the rotation, but I don't know anyone who doubts his stuff.


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MrTPlush said:
I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


You must have missed all the posts saying "he doesn't throw enough strikes" and "ignore the ERA, he hasn't been very good."


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jerichoholicninja said:
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I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


You must have missed all the posts saying "he doesn't throw enough strikes" and "ignore the ERA, he hasn't been very good."


Exactly.

“There's a fine line between being confident and cocky, or overconfident. This is an extremely humbling game. But if you don't believe in yourself, no one else is going to believe in you.”


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Posted: September 01, 2017, 8:46 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
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Plenty. Many doubters.


I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


Sure. Agree to disagree. Seen the comments.


Feel free to find them. If we are referring to when he first came up it was definitely justified. His control was all over the place(really really bad) and didn't deserve big innings. Just because he is doing better now doesn't erase the fact how eratic he was before and how his results were lucky to an extent.


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MrTPlush said:
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I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


Sure. Agree to disagree. Seen the comments.


Feel free to find them. If we are referring to when he first came up it was definitely justified. His control was all over the place(really really bad) and didn't deserve big innings. Just because he is doing better now doesn't erase the fact how eratic he was before and how his results were lucky to an extent.


No need. It's why I said agree to disagree. You can go find them if it'll make you feel better though.

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17 Ks? Wow!


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jerichoholicninja said:
MrTPlush said:
I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


You must have missed all the posts saying "he doesn't throw enough strikes" and "ignore the ERA, he hasn't been very good."


Your point? It was factual comments then and it was backed up by statistics. Today he threw 12 pitches for 11 strikes. So he has found out how to throw strikes and is doing better. How does that make the comments a few months ago hating when they were right?


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Knebel wasn't even fair tonight.


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How about that bullpen?


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Knebel's stuff seems extra filthy when he's getting regular work. it's when he gets long layoffs that he seems to struggle with command.

Great job by him, Hader and Nelson. Hopefully the offense will be interested in participating this weekend.


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jerichoholicninja said:
MrTPlush said:
I don't know anyone that doubts his bullpen ability. Actually...no one.


You must have missed all the posts saying "he doesn't throw enough strikes" and "ignore the ERA, he hasn't been very good."


I'd hardly call that "hate".


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markedman5 said:
How about that bullpen?


Adding Williams hopefully with great results to add to the current big 3.


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Posted: September 01, 2017, 9:01 PM Post
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Nelson looked a bit off in the early innings with his fastball. But when you can throw curves for strikes like that, does it matter?

That Hader inning though... wow. He had decided that noone was getting a hit off him, and you could feel it from the first pitch. Could have left him in with how he was pitching and with that pitch count. But with someone like Knebel, and with someone who crushes LHP like Zimmerman does I get why you'd make the change, even if I probably wouldn't have. Knebel impressive as ever.

Man do I miss Manny Piña though, against someone like Turner. A good defensive catcher to back up Piña could be something to look for in the offseason; not the highest priority, but if the opportunity presents itself.

Sucks for Roark to lose like that, absolutely no help from his offense after pitching such a good game.


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Posted: September 01, 2017, 9:19 PM Post
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The Brewers were so close to putting up a touchdown in this game. Many, many close calls for the Nationals.

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