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2018-10-13 (NLCS Game #2): Dodgers (Ryu) at Brewers (Miley) 3:09 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3 -- Miley in 5.2 IP allows 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 walks]

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Posted: October 13, 2018, 5:56 PM Post
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jw5511986 said:
JJ has given up 11 hits in about 4 innings so far, he gave up 49 over 76 innings during the postseason. I'm not saying he is trash but we know he is a bit of a headcase and something isn't right with him right now.


Was pretty lucky this year with a .249 BABIP. Would have been decent anyway, but not the type of guy you gotta leave out there at all costs and act like he's prime Mariano Rivera.


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I understand our bullpen is our strength, but why did we take out Miley? He'd given up two hits, didn't walk anybody, and had tossed only 74 pitches through 5 2/3.


I guess the idea was the first guy he saw 3x got a hit. But yeah. If it were the 1st game maybe.


The only thing I would really even kind of blame Counsell for is not allowing Miley even a little leeway. The guy just went through 18(?) straight, and the first hit he allows, he's gone. That's pretty tough. I know he wants to get to the Brewers' strength (or what had been the strength), but Miley allows one single and it's to the showers. I'd like him to show a little more confidence in him.


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They're in a tough spot now, no doubt, and they're not the favorites in this series at this point. Have to win 2 out of 3 in L.A. to avoid an elimination game back in Milwaukee for Game 6.


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Posted: October 13, 2018, 5:59 PM Post
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WinkelsasVsSoriano said:
sdcheezhd said:
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I understand our bullpen is our strength, but why did we take out Miley? He'd given up two hits, didn't walk anybody, and had tossed only 74 pitches through 5 2/3.


I guess the idea was the first guy he saw 3x got a hit. But yeah. If it were the 1st game maybe.


The only thing I would really even kind of blame Counsell for is not allowing Miley even a little leeway. The guy just went through 18(?) straight, and the first hit he allows, he's gone. That's pretty tough. I know he wants to get to the Brewers' strength (or what had been the strength), but Miley allows one single and it's to the showers. I'd like him to show a little more confidence in him.

I had no problem with making that move. Justin Turner was up and seeing him a third time and CC wanted him to go out on a positive note. The bullpen needed to do their job today and they didn't, specifically Burnes. If CC is to blame for anything it's running JJ out there for a second inning when going to a fresh arm like Guerra would've been the better option.


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WinkelsasVsSoriano said:

The only thing I would really even kind of blame Counsell for is not allowing Miley even a little leeway. The guy just went through 18(?) straight, and the first hit he allows, he's gone. That's pretty tough. I know he wants to get to the Brewers' strength (or what had been the strength), but Miley allows one single and it's to the showers. I'd like him to show a little more confidence in him.


Managing it they way he did today is how they got to this point in the season. I'm not saying this in any degrading sort of way but you don't suddenly do a 180 now. It's worked at an incredibly high rate.


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Posted: October 13, 2018, 6:03 PM Post
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WinkelsasVsSoriano said:
sdcheezhd said:
The 'stache said:
I understand our bullpen is our strength, but why did we take out Miley? He'd given up two hits, didn't walk anybody, and had tossed only 74 pitches through 5 2/3.


I guess the idea was the first guy he saw 3x got a hit. But yeah. If it were the 1st game maybe.


The only thing I would really even kind of blame Counsell for is not allowing Miley even a little leeway. The guy just went through 18(?) straight, and the first hit he allows, he's gone. That's pretty tough. I know he wants to get to the Brewers' strength (or what had been the strength), but Miley allows one single and it's to the showers. I'd like him to show a little more confidence in him.


I really don't question the decision but it did feel like bad mojo, Miley was lights out and just had a hit and scored, everything was going so right. I knew he would be pulled soon though, can't argue sticking with what got you here.


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Yeah I was fine with pulling Miley when they did. Like someone said it was how they got here.

Burnes simply didn't get the job done. Other guys too but going in expecting a couple innings out of Burnes and getting one loud out and a couple runs really started to unravel things.


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At least we found a couple extra bench bats in these two games.


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Honestly, I feel okay with a split. It is going to take more than three runs to beat that Dodger lineup most nights, late lead or no.

The difference in the game is a Chris Taylor broken bat slow roller. Not really much you can do. You got your best pitcher going Monday with a rested pen behind him. It's a five game series now. Start another streak Monday!

This team has won so many close ones in the last month, they were going to drop one at some point. I think they respond well.


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Posted: October 13, 2018, 6:26 PM Post
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Man that sucks. Would've been easier to take had they not had a 3-0 lead. Gotta play the game on Monday like it's an elimination game, Imo


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As disappointing as this was we were bound to lose sometime. This was our first loss a in 21 days. We rarely lose 2 in a row so all we have to do is take one of these games in LA. Yelich has been kinda quiet in this series so chances are he is going to snap out of it and it would great if he did it on Monday night.


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I think this is a wrap. The hangover of losing a game like that after Miley's performance is significant. I felt they needed a 3-2 lead swinging back to Milwaukee and that's highly unlikely. When it's their strength vs our pen they've taken it to us two nights in a row. Our 9th inning guy is toast. Think we're done in 6.


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it be very nice to get game 3


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Yelich has killed us. He needs to start hitting. Not the Bonds level he was at but at least Marlins level.


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I really don't question the decision but it did feel like bad mojo, Miley was lights out and just had a hit and scored, everything was going so right. I knew he would be pulled soon though, can't argue sticking with what got you here.[/quote][/quote]

I agree but I'm thinking of the line "the fox knows many things the hedgehog only one but it's a big one." I'm usually w the foxes; sometimes you need to go w what's happening instead of your one thing.


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In a weird way, I expect this team to play better on the road. Those MP crowds justt look tense on TV. I wasn't there, but it felt like Turner's homer just killed everything. Almost like the crowd had been waiting for it. I sort of feel like I've been waiting for the loss to come, so maybe going on the road flips the pressure a bit.

Maybe we even douse another road clubhouse in champagne.


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brewmann04 said:
it be very nice to get game 3


And that is all we need. Get one of them and bring the series back to Milwaukee. We've been pretty good on the road this year. It ain't over yet...


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I think this is a wrap. The hangover of losing a game like that after Miley's performance is significant. I felt they needed a 3-2 lead swinging back to Milwaukee and that's highly unlikely. When it's their strength vs our pen they've taken it to us two nights in a row. Our 9th inning guy is toast. Think we're done in 6.


I've never had them winning this series. The Dodgers just have a better 25 and at some point it's tough to overcome that.

But...I've been wrong before. Maybe they get right back on the horse and take the next 2 and surprise us. I never had them making it this far and they did. So, who knows.


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tough tough loss and now a hugh game 3 in la


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Wasted a great game by Miley, tough loss.

JJ is getting hit in the postseason not just by the Dodgers but even the Rockies, opponents are seeing his pitches well. IMO, we should stop using JJ in this series.

Wonder why CC took so long to let Guerra pitch in a game, he should use Guerra more in the postseason.

It's a mistake to put Cedeno in the roster, Cedeno's stuff is not good. I'd rather have Broxton.


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