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2019-07-07: Brewers (Anderson) at Pirates (Musgrove) [Brewers lose, 6-5]

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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:27 PM Post
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I could use four days off from the Brewers.

"You're not going to have him when you want him and you're going to run out of games. He can't pitch 90 games. It's just not going to work. If anyone thinks it's going to work, show me how."- Craig Counsell on Josh Hader.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:28 PM Post
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PinaMadness said:
I could use four days off from the Brewers.


I think we all could. Things are pretty snarky around here. Hopefully things start anew on Friday.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:29 PM Post
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wildcat83 said:
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Anderson was not taken out during the rain delay. Claudio had pitched an inning before the delay.


It had already been raining steady at that point for a while. It was pretty inevitable the game was going to get halted. Getting an ab for Anderson's spot wasn't a bad call. (Imo)


I get that train of thought, but it was being talked about like it was switched because of the delay.

I don’t agree with it because of the state of our pen and it being a day game. They were going to finish it. Let Chase pitch to the delay. If it was a night game where rain had a better chance of ending it early then I would agree with it.


It would have been one more inning no matter what. It wasn’t THAT big of a deal. My guess is Guerra pitches no matter what and he’s bad


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:30 PM Post
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I don’t understand all this talk about who you would rather be. People talk like the Brewers are a moribund franchise. They have a few holes after some things didn’t pan out this year. But apart from Braun, there are no albatross contracts on the roster. Players can bounce back or grow, and some holes can be addressed in the offseason. The Cardinals, meanwhile, have some bad contracts and haven’t been strong contenders for years, despite all our mental scarring about them being the boogeyman.

For the rest of the division, it is rather silly to remove this topic from context—which is what it took to get where all these teams are now. The Cubs are looking like paper tigers, and sure, they won their title, but now they are saddled by a litany of questionable contracts, especially for pitchers. We talk about the spending advantage of the Cubs, but big deals to Hayward and Darvish especially look like handicaps not advantages. All of this brings me to my main point: the Cubs’ success—and the talent, such as it is, of the Reds and Pirates—owe mainly to years of absolutely woeful products on the field during prolonged rebuilds. This is the most important context which the “who would you rather be right now?” question ignores. I’d rather not be a fan of a franchise that milks the fan base for years while not even trying to field a competitive club, all while lying about how it was the only way to build a contender. And we know it is a lie, because we saw the proof in 2017 and 2018. The Brewers/Stearns method, call it an abbreviated tear down, or accelerated rebuild, or “not putting limits on the team” kept the lean years to a minimum, netted an MVP caliber player and the most wins in the league last year. I’d much rather see that than the hell the Cubs, Reds, and Pirates fans lived under recently.

Put me down as still being proud of these Brewers. I wouldn’t be nearly as proud of any of those other clubs, and it isn’t even close.

This franchise has seen one World Series in it's history. One, and there have been plenty of extended periods of comically futile ineptitide. This franchise is the definition of hell as far as sports franchises go. I would gladly lose 100 games fora few years if it meant a world series win.

but it's not like every guy suddenly forgot every piece of advice he gave


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:31 PM Post
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After seeing Guerra put every pitch on a tee 2 days ago, not exactly shocking to see he was a dumpster fire today.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:46 PM Post
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i agree need to recharge these 4 days and yes Guerra been bad and think he is replaceable.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:49 PM Post
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82brewcrew82 said:
Harvey'sWBs said:
I don’t understand all this talk about who you would rather be. People talk like the Brewers are a moribund franchise. They have a few holes after some things didn’t pan out this year. But apart from Braun, there are no albatross contracts on the roster. Players can bounce back or grow, and some holes can be addressed in the offseason. The Cardinals, meanwhile, have some bad contracts and haven’t been strong contenders for years, despite all our mental scarring about them being the boogeyman.

For the rest of the division, it is rather silly to remove this topic from context—which is what it took to get where all these teams are now. The Cubs are looking like paper tigers, and sure, they won their title, but now they are saddled by a litany of questionable contracts, especially for pitchers. We talk about the spending advantage of the Cubs, but big deals to Hayward and Darvish especially look like handicaps not advantages. All of this brings me to my main point: the Cubs’ success—and the talent, such as it is, of the Reds and Pirates—owe mainly to years of absolutely woeful products on the field during prolonged rebuilds. This is the most important context which the “who would you rather be right now?” question ignores. I’d rather not be a fan of a franchise that milks the fan base for years while not even trying to field a competitive club, all while lying about how it was the only way to build a contender. And we know it is a lie, because we saw the proof in 2017 and 2018. The Brewers/Stearns method, call it an abbreviated tear down, or accelerated rebuild, or “not putting limits on the team” kept the lean years to a minimum, netted an MVP caliber player and the most wins in the league last year. I’d much rather see that than the hell the Cubs, Reds, and Pirates fans lived under recently.

Put me down as still being proud of these Brewers. I wouldn’t be nearly as proud of any of those other clubs, and it isn’t even close.

This franchise has seen one World Series in it's history. One, and there have been plenty of extended periods of comically futile ineptitide. This franchise is the definition of hell as far as sports franchises go. I would gladly lose 100 games fora few years if it meant a world series win.


Most of us would gladly trade a WS title for 100-loss seasons. The problem is that it doesn't work that way and the far more likely scenario is trading 100-loss seasons for quick playoff exits. For every Kansas City there are several Baltimores.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 3:55 PM Post
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82brewcrew82 said:
Harvey'sWBs said:
I don’t understand all this talk about who you would rather be. People talk like the Brewers are a moribund franchise. They have a few holes after some things didn’t pan out this year. But apart from Braun, there are no albatross contracts on the roster. Players can bounce back or grow, and some holes can be addressed in the offseason. The Cardinals, meanwhile, have some bad contracts and haven’t been strong contenders for years, despite all our mental scarring about them being the boogeyman.

For the rest of the division, it is rather silly to remove this topic from context—which is what it took to get where all these teams are now. The Cubs are looking like paper tigers, and sure, they won their title, but now they are saddled by a litany of questionable contracts, especially for pitchers. We talk about the spending advantage of the Cubs, but big deals to Hayward and Darvish especially look like handicaps not advantages. All of this brings me to my main point: the Cubs’ success—and the talent, such as it is, of the Reds and Pirates—owe mainly to years of absolutely woeful products on the field during prolonged rebuilds. This is the most important context which the “who would you rather be right now?” question ignores. I’d rather not be a fan of a franchise that milks the fan base for years while not even trying to field a competitive club, all while lying about how it was the only way to build a contender. And we know it is a lie, because we saw the proof in 2017 and 2018. The Brewers/Stearns method, call it an abbreviated tear down, or accelerated rebuild, or “not putting limits on the team” kept the lean years to a minimum, netted an MVP caliber player and the most wins in the league last year. I’d much rather see that than the hell the Cubs, Reds, and Pirates fans lived under recently.

Put me down as still being proud of these Brewers. I wouldn’t be nearly as proud of any of those other clubs, and it isn’t even close.

This franchise has seen one World Series in it's history. One, and there have been plenty of extended periods of comically futile ineptitide. This franchise is the definition of hell as far as sports franchises go. I would gladly lose 100 games fora few years if it meant a world series win.


So lose 100 games for how many years? Have a payroll of what during those years? 70-80 million? Banking what 70-80 million a year during the rebuild, then Attanasio decides to buy the AA team, then the AAA team, buy another state of the art scoreboard for 40 million. Then when we get good again, the reds have a larger payroll than we do, And with 3-4 years time past and ownership of said minor league teams, Attanasio’s teams value skyrockets yet again, to 1.5 billion making Mark A a billionaire. Yay.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 4:50 PM Post
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mtrebs said:
Wow, 7-16 to finish off the first half? I knew it was bad, but didn’t realize it was that bad.


It wasn’t QUITE that bad because the Brewers have not been more than 10 games over .500 and now they’re 3 over. They actually finished 8-15. I think it feels worse though because all 23 of those games were against teams with losing records, and the Brewers lost the first two games of so many series that some of the wins felt like a consolation prize for a crappy series. Several of the losses were embarrassing blowouts, while almost every win was a grind it out, hang on for dear life affair.

Not to mention that, aside from the wins and losses, they played like a team that will be fortunate to finish at .500; the hitting, starting pitching, relief pitching, and defense have all been below the standard of a playoff contender.


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Just getting home from work, check boxscore and yep they rested Yelich! Unbelievable.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 5:23 PM Post
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brewcrewdue80 said:
Just getting home from work, check boxscore and yep they rested Yelich! Unbelievable.


He has back stiffness


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brewcrewdue80 said:
Just getting home from work, check boxscore and yep they rested Yelich! Unbelievable.


Did you bother to see why?


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 5:32 PM Post
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Eye Black said:
This one really stinks.

Unfortunately a second consecutive year of spending the All-Star break not feeling so great about Brewers baseball.

It worked out pretty good last year #optimism

reillymcshane said:
Remember what Yoda said:

"Cubs lead to Cardinals. Cardinals lead to dislike. Dislike leads to hate. Hate leads to constipation."


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 5:48 PM Post
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Games like today where I really wish we hadn't traded away the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

There are three things America will be known for 2000 years from now when they study this civilization: the Constitution, jazz music and baseball. They're the three most beautifully designed things this culture has ever produced. Gerald Early


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 8:15 PM Post
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young guns said:
Eye Black said:
This one really stinks.

Unfortunately a second consecutive year of spending the All-Star break not feeling so great about Brewers baseball.

It worked out pretty good last year #optimism


Cubs were up by 2.5 games last year...

How did that work out for them?

Now they're only up by .5 game, and the Crew has a better team.

I like the odds...


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Posted: July 08, 2019, 8:52 AM Post
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PinaMadness said:
Tough break there. That'll probably cost us a scoring inning.


And it did. It cost us the game in the end too. [sad]


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Whew! I was worried that Christian Yelich might not be rested before the home run contest. Glad Craig gave him a day off.

Tyler Saladino and his 2 for 25 will pick up the offensive slack. You'll see. /blue


This is a “get off my lawn moment”. But the home run derby sucks. And when a brewer is in it then it really sucks


I'm rather relieved he isn't going to participate.


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Posted: July 08, 2019, 8:56 AM Post
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PinaMadness said:
It's too hard to hit home runs in PNC so Chase will just give up triples.


I thought Chase had a nice game yesterday.


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Posted: July 08, 2019, 9:00 AM Post
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82brewcrew82 said:
Complacency has set in. Time to sell and fix the mistakes for next year.


If we weren't a half a game out of first even with all of our struggles lately I might agree with you. A lot of folks think the Cubs are the class of the division and they are having issues too. I doubt anyone there is thinking it is now time to sell.


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For those of you sick of the 1982 reunions and stories, the Pirates are having a 1979 night in a couple weeks.


But they are celebrating WINNING the World Series. Huge difference.


Yes, but what have they won since? About as much as we have.


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