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2019-07-22: Reds (Gray) at Brewers (Anderson) [Brewers lose, 6-5 -- Saladino’s 8th inning grand slam gives Crew the lead; Jeffress serves up 2-run HR in 9th to Suarez]

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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:05 PM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
I don't know if the decision to IBB Suarez is as cut and dry as we all think with hindsight being 20/20 - it's rare to put on the go ahead run in the 9th when you have a lead unless you are looking at a great hitter with a platoon advantage. The book is typically to make that go ahead run hit his way on to score, which is exactly what Suarez did. Had they walked him he was going to face a lefty hitter who could still tie the game with a single, and had he gapped one Suarez probably scores from first and we're all pissed he walked him to face a lefty.

JJ just made an awful pitch, and I also question Grandal's pitch selection in that spot when he was throwing hangers all inning. However you slice it, that's a gut punch in a game that about 45 minutes ago nobody saw as being a bad loss until Saladino hit another salami. Maybe the better approach is to go after Suarez on the fringes of the zone to see if you can get him to chase in that spot to get himself out.


Good post. Totally agree.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:06 PM Post
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I knew it. Winning run on base defense. Sad that Craig cannot think past the book.


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Anyone remember how the 2017 Brewers missed out on the playoffs by one game....


Yes. I also remember that no one expected them to contend in the first place, so viewed in context it was still a very successful season.


I long for the day when missing the playoffs by 1 game is not considered a "very successful season" for the Brewers.


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Counsell just shuts down any questions with yes and no answers and the media just moves on. Hard hitting team of Adam Tom and Sophia the Brewers employee. Anyone can manage here. There are virtually no consequences regarding media questions. it is a joke.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:14 PM Post
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Counsell just shuts down any questions with yes and no answers and the media just moves on. Hard hitting team of Adam Tom and Sophia the Brewers employee. Anyone can manage here. There are virtually no consequences regarding media questions. it is a joke.


I think Rosiak had the gamer tonight for the JS. He's actually makes Haudricourt look like Bob Woodward.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:15 PM Post
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Counsell just shuts down any questions with yes and no answers and the media just moves on. Hard hitting team of Adam Tom and Sophia the Brewers employee. Anyone can manage here. There are virtually no consequences regarding media questions. it is a joke.


And what is the consequences of a tougher media? Literally no one is showing up with pitch forks like they might in a Yankee situation, which is about the only market where a tough media might matter. Maybe Boston too. But my point is while it may make you feel better after a tough loss, a tough media really means didly poo.

Not only that but CC gave his reasoning on it. You may disagree but I agree with his decision as I am sure others here do as well. Either way, I don’t understand some people’s fetish with a tough media.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:17 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
sveumrules said:
Jopal78! said:
Anyone remember how the 2017 Brewers missed out on the playoffs by one game....


Yes. I also remember that no one expected them to contend in the first place, so viewed in context it was still a very successful season.


I long for the day when missing the playoffs by 1 game is not considered a "very successful season" for the Brewers.


I guess when a team exceeds preseason expectations by 10 plus wins & fights for the playoffs instead of a top 10 pick, it's hard for me to consider that coming up short.

Most preseason projections had us around a 50/50 shot at the playoffs this year, so even if we miss the playoffs this season I wouldn't consider that a failure either. It was always a realistic outcome.

Since 2017 we've won the 7th most games in MLB. I think that's pretty good, all things considered.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:17 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
sveumrules said:
Jopal78! said:
Anyone remember how the 2017 Brewers missed out on the playoffs by one game....


Yes. I also remember that no one expected them to contend in the first place, so viewed in context it was still a very successful season.


I long for the day when missing the playoffs by 1 game is not considered a "very successful season" for the Brewers.


What about celebrating the team that LOST the WS like they are the greatest team ever assembled! Seriously, who does that?!

Keep that bar low as can be, Milwaukee!


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:19 PM Post
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What about celebrating the team that LOST the WS like they are the greatest team ever assembled! Seriously, who does that?!

Keep that bar low as can be, Milwaukee!


Well, when you don't have a WS win to hang your hat on ...


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Well that was one of the more deflating sporting events I’ve attended. Sheesh


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Maybe I’m misinterpreting Jopal’s post, but it’s really not about the 2017 team. Each game is important and just one loss can mean a big difference in a season’s outcome, as we’ve certainly seen the last 2 seasons


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:29 PM Post
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Stearns has failed numerous times managing the roster this year, poor decision after poor decision. No excuse to be short handed as many times as this team has been this year. Then there’s the Hiura situation. Instead of locking up Hiura for the next 8-9 years, he plays the super 2 game. His depth above talent mantra has backfired repeatedly. I’m beginning to think he’s not as forward thinking as this team has to have, to have anything more than a 1% chance at a title per year.

We have a pitcher down below that scouts have said is ready to get big league hitters out now, not even rostered yet, let alone up with the big club, that in the last month has only given up a handful of hits with 1 bb and 19 Ks that touches 100 with a plus plus slider. Why is he not up?

CC is a terrible game manager, proven this last 50-60 games over and over again. He might be a players manager but makes way too many mistakes with game management. Overrated to say the least.

These are serious problems beyond belief.

Maybe Stearns has just an elaborate grand plan that is just beyond anything a mortal can fathom, I hope so, but don’t think so.

Maybe a team just can’t compete in this day of the Ivy League educated president of baseball ops littered everywhere, with the analytics separating the payrolls more than ever. The days of payrolls separated by more than 80-100 million winning a World Series are going away, soon to be gone forever. Mark my words. Book it. Look at baseball since KC won in 15.
Cubbies Astros Red Sox. Pretty soon to be Dodgers Astros again. Yankees Braves Padres white Sox tanking, but latter 3 won’t win it till their payroll gets to 175+ million minimum. But we can keep pretending, but not really like a child, because we can’t push reality out forever, eventually the reality of the low payroll sets in, doesn’t it? But all we have to do is develop an abundance of controllable talent. Da. All 30 teams know the same thing now, so how can we get the talent of a team with 100 million more a year to spend than us for that talent? This has to end at some point in time, the low payroll has to end.


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Brew4U said:
Bulldogboy said:
Counsell just shuts down any questions with yes and no answers and the media just moves on. Hard hitting team of Adam Tom and Sophia the Brewers employee. Anyone can manage here. There are virtually no consequences regarding media questions. it is a joke.


And what is the consequences of a tougher media? Literally no one is showing up with pitch forks like they might in a Yankee situation, which is about the only market where a tough media might matter. Maybe Boston too. But my point is while it may make you feel better after a tough loss, a tough media really means didly poo.

Not only that but CC gave his reasoning on it. You may disagree but I agree with his decision as I am sure others here do as well. Either way, I don’t understand some people’s fetish with a tough media.

A tougher media helps to get answers and in depth reasoning behind the decisions being made. Counsell just waving people like nope that's dumb gives him an air of I don't owe the fans an explanation of why I did what I did. I think the paying public does deserve more answers than they have been getting. Even the packers media is tougher than this. Having a brewers employee ask the questions after games isn't going to do any investigative journalism.


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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Bulldogboy said:
Counsell just shuts down any questions with yes and no answers and the media just moves on. Hard hitting team of Adam Tom and Sophia the Brewers employee. Anyone can manage here. There are virtually no consequences regarding media questions. it is a joke.


I think Rosiak had the gamer tonight for the JS. He's actually makes Haudricourt look like Bob Woodward.

So true


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:31 PM Post
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rondoman said:

What about celebrating the team that LOST the WS like they are the greatest team ever assembled! Seriously, who does that?!

Keep that bar low as can be, Milwaukee!


Well, when you don't have a WS win to hang your hat on ...


You still shouldn't be celebrating a team that lost the World Series by acting like they won 5.

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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Drew Smyly situation is another Stearns question. The guy literally left San Antonio and won a big league start going 6 plus innings. I understand bad timing but what were the terms and why didn't we give him a shot here?


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trwi7 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
rondoman said:

What about celebrating the team that LOST the WS like they are the greatest team ever assembled! Seriously, who does that?!

Keep that bar low as can be, Milwaukee!


Well, when you don't have a WS win to hang your hat on ...


You still shouldn't be celebrating a team that lost the World Series by acting like they won 5.


Best team in brewer history. A lot of memorable players. Plus one of the greatest logos in baseball history. Why we ever changed, I will never know


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I, too, am growing beyond frustrated with the way our media interacts with Counsell. And I voiced my displeasure to Tom. A journalist's job is to ask the tough questions, not to toe a company line. Right now, all we have are a bunch of lackeys. If the Brewers ever want to truly become winners, there needs to be some accountability.

This would never fly in New York.

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sveumrules said:

I guess when a team exceeds preseason expectations by 10 plus wins & fights for the playoffs instead of a top 10 pick, it's hard for me to consider that coming up short.

Most preseason projections had us around a 50/50 shot at the playoffs this year, so even if we miss the playoffs this season I wouldn't consider that a failure either. It was always a realistic outcome.

Since 2017 we've won the 7th most games in MLB. I think that's pretty good, all things considered.


There are a lot of other things to take in context during the season too though. It would be nice for people to stop basing things on preseason guessing of records. Ultimately they are meaningless. It’s fun and drives interestand arguments and debates. But it means nothing

Let’s say a team has a ten game lead with 11 to play and they blow it. Oh well some half ass expert said we were going to be in third place so please eat the Cheerios I gave you that had pee in it and celebrate the successful season. Sometimes it doesn’t work like that.

Not saying this current season is like that. But anybody can rationalize any situation. Every year

You either make the playoffs or you don’t. There will always be some sort of failure in that and pro teams should not be convinced otherwise


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I've generally found telling people "to put on their big boy pants" has the opposite of the desired result.

Ah, who am I kidding? I've never told anyone "to put on their bog boy pants".


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