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2019-08-02: Brewers (Davies) at Cubs (Quintana) [Brewers lose, 6-2]

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Posted: August 02, 2019, 2:45 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Go to your pen Joe, do it.


Yup, those were massive...massive AB's. Now the pen has to cover 2 innings...and whoever comes in is coming in to a dirty inning.


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Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.


You have a forgiving borderline.

Oh, yeah ... I forgot that Gamel with his .250 average and little pop is the same thing.


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500 team at best


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adambr2 said:
This year the trade deadline was pretty bad, the Nelson service time situation was bungled badly in early June, and around the same time, the decision to send Hiura back down despite his performance and bring Shaw back up was exactly when the season started to turn.


Very valid point!


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treego14 said:
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Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.


You have a forgiving borderline.

Oh, yeah ... I forgot that Gamel with his .250 average and little pop is the same thing.


Yeah, completely disregard the prospect pitcher they also got, because it doesn't fit your narrative.


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Stearns's biggest flaw this far as GM is not paying for pitching. This is why i have said, the Brewers need to change their philosophy. It's pretty obvious they aren't going to develop TOR arms other than once in a blue moon, and you can't keep signing bottom of the barrel guys for the rotation. They need to spend all the money possible in FA to at least bring in ONE stud to anchor the rotation and fill in with as many value bats as you can find, and hope it works. That's the ONLY way I can ever see them winning a World Series under Stearns.


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Holy moly is Pina slow.


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I think the mediocrity of this team is far beyond its fortunes turning on sending Hiura down when they shouldn't have.


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treego14 said:
homer said:
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Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.


You have a forgiving borderline.

Oh, yeah ... I forgot that Gamel with his .250 average and little pop is the same thing.


You're moving the goalposts. Santana was not a borderline all star.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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I can live with that AB by Pina. Run in, GIDP no longer in play for Arcia, and closing in on the top of the order...


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I think the mediocrity of this team is far beyond its fortunes turning on sending Hiura down when they shouldn't have.


yeah I said at the time I wouldn't get excited unless they significantly upgraded the pitching.

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Yeah, completely disregard the prospect pitcher they also got, because it doesn't fit your narrative.


Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.

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Posted: August 02, 2019, 2:52 PM Post
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Go there, look at those fielding numbers for either right field or left, and tell me how he’s supposed to be a serious outfielder for a contending club. Seattle isn’t contending, so they’re playing him in the outfield. He should DH all day every day for the rest of his career. There is no DH in the NL, and when the Brewers were playing him every day, it was when they didn’t expect to contend but unexpectedly did. And they missed the playoffs narrowly. Arguably, a better fielder out there may have made the difference. I will never regret the Santana deal, not for one moment.


He was a +6 DRS in the corners last year, so while he's been bad this year he's probably not that bad overall and while he was really good last year, he's probably not that good. The truth is somewhere in the middle and he's playable in the corners in that middle ground.

I'll say I didn't like the deal and still don't. Sold low on him and got a mediocre 4th outfielder and a pitcher whose absolute best case scenario is Zach Davies but probably not even that because Davies was posting a 2.5 WAR season in the majors at the age Zavolas is now.

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OldSchoolSnapper said:
I think the mediocrity of this team is far beyond its fortunes turning on sending Hiura down when they shouldn't have.

At the time it seemed like a huge deal but looking at it now this is true.


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Well that was disappointing. Our pitching staff doesn't let a little wind stop them from giving up a couple dingers and 6 runs.


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Joey Meyer Bombs said:

Yeah, completely disregard the prospect pitcher they also got, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Prospect pitchers in a season following a so-close World Series appearance? Blah! I want guys that produce now! Go for it! We settled for a prospect and a backup ... we settled for a depleted bullpen when Knebel and Jeffress went down ... we settled for Shaw for 3 months ... we settled!


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Stearns's biggest flaw this far as GM is not paying for pitching. This is why i have said, the Brewers need to change their philosophy. It's pretty obvious they aren't going to develop TOR arms other than once in a blue moon, and you can't keep signing bottom of the barrel guys for the rotation. They need to spend all the money possible in FA to at least bring in ONE stud to anchor the rotation and fill in with as many value bats as you can find, and hope it works. That's the ONLY way I can ever see them winning a World Series under Stearns.



This makes zero sense. He's been the GM for like three years made it to Game 7 of the NLCS. Giving a pass on his first season, they'll probably have a winning record all three years and missed the playoffs by a game in his second. The strategy you're suggesting is basically what they did in their two "go for it" years with Melvin and basically had the same success one season. That's not a very strong argument that his strategy isn't working. In fact, I would say that it is, because with this staff you'd think this team is far worse than it really is. But they had so many problems, the pen falling apart and some black holes on offense, that all of it together just became insurmountable.


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treego14 said:
Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.


Braun is still here. He is playing and playing pretty well. Gamel is now the 4th OF which is something that Domingo didn't seem to handle well. When you put all the factors together including OF flexibility, defense, baserunning, and offense, this deal was a win for the Brewers.

The offensive production we have had out of our LF position is just about in line with the production of Santana and we don't have to put up with his lousy outfield defense.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Santana has his flaws, but his bat still plays. He's in his prime over the next few years. I wouldn't have traded him (or Aguilar) when they were at the low valley of their worth.


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Bulldogboy said:
OldSchoolSnapper said:
I think the mediocrity of this team is far beyond its fortunes turning on sending Hiura down when they shouldn't have.

At the time it seemed like a huge deal but looking at it now this is true.


I don't know how many games having Hiura down and Shaw up cost us in June, but if it's 2, this race looks much different and maybe our deadline moves are different.


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