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2019-09-07: Cubs (Darvish) at Brewers (Gonzalez) [Brewers win, 3-2 -- Walk-off win in 9th]

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Posted: September 07, 2019, 8:01 PM Post
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Cool Hand Lucroy said:
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I guess I’m a little surprised by the meltdown of some fans. This team is just not in a position roster wise to make a run. They’ve been on fumes for awhile now.


I agree completely, but the math is the math. If you are playing to have the best chance at the playoffs, Hader is the only move in the 8th, right? I mean, I am open to a good argument that it's not, but I am having a hard time finding one myself.

Maybe we put a 7'run inning, and it's moot. Hope so.


Pomeranz SO/9 is over 14 as a Brewer. Counsell probably should have went with Hader but it’s not like Hader has been 2018-Hader. Counsell has his hands tied everywhere with this roster.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 8:02 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
I guess I’m a little surprised by the meltdown of some fans. This team is just not in a position roster wise to make a run. They’ve been on fumes for awhile now.


I don't think people are melting down. Just would like to treat today and tomorrow as must win games, because they are. These are, in essence, playoff games for us.

Regardless of outcome we still probably won't make it but these 2 games have to be treated differently.


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Wasn't sure when it left the bat but it cleared by plenty


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adambr2 said:
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I guess I’m a little surprised by the meltdown of some fans. This team is just not in a position roster wise to make a run. They’ve been on fumes for awhile now.


I don't think people are melting down. Just would like to treat today and tomorrow as must win games, because they are. These are, in essence, playoff games for us.

Regardless of outcome we still probably won't make it but these 2 games have to be treated differently.


And you still need other pitchers not named Hader to do their jobs. It happened a season ago as much as people want to just remember Hader.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 8:04 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Brew4U said:
I guess I’m a little surprised by the meltdown of some fans. This team is just not in a position roster wise to make a run. They’ve been on fumes for awhile now.


I don't think people are melting down. Just would like to treat today and tomorrow as must win games, because they are. These are, in essence, playoff games for us.

Regardless of outcome we still probably won't make it but these 2 games have to be treated differently.



Tie game in the 8th you have to at least be prepared for extras, I think. Junior isn't great, but he isn't NEARLY as bad as many have made him out to be.


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Pitch to Christian!

"You're not going to have him when you want him and you're going to run out of games. He can't pitch 90 games. It's just not going to work. If anyone thinks it's going to work, show me how."- Craig Counsell on Josh Hader.


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Brew4U said:
Cool Hand Lucroy said:
Brew4U said:
I guess I’m a little surprised by the meltdown of some fans. This team is just not in a position roster wise to make a run. They’ve been on fumes for awhile now.


I agree completely, but the math is the math. If you are playing to have the best chance at the playoffs, Hader is the only move in the 8th, right? I mean, I am open to a good argument that it's not, but I am having a hard time finding one myself.

Maybe we put a 7'run inning, and it's moot. Hope so.


Pomeranz SO/9 is over 14 as a Brewer. Counsell probably should have went with Hader but it’s not like Hader has been 2018-Hader. Counsell has his hands tied everywhere with this roster.


He's a nice strikeout pitcher, but for his career he's at a much more modest 9 per 9.

I mean Pomeranz is definitely not Hader and I know you're not saying he is. Hader has had his rough points this season but most were in July and he does seem to be back to his normal self.


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I miss last year when Hader could pitch the 8th without question.


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The grounds crew is going to be glad to see Madden leave town.
Going to have to re-sod the path to the mound after the Cubs leave


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Cool Hand Lucroy said:
Brew4U said:
I guess I’m a little surprised by the meltdown of some fans. This team is just not in a position roster wise to make a run. They’ve been on fumes for awhile now.


I agree completely, but the math is the math. If you are playing to have the best chance at the playoffs, Hader is the only move in the 8th, right? I mean, I am open to a good argument that it's not, but I am having a hard time finding one myself.

Maybe we put a 7'run inning, and it's moot. Hope so.


The idea was to save Hader for the 9th so he will be available tomorrow which is also a must win for the Brewers. If this was the plan I don't see why they wouldn't have brought him in after Guerra got into trouble. It was really one batter to late when they did finally bring him in.

If they can score 5 or more this inning than Hader should be available tomorrow but if he has to pitch the 9th I don't see him being available tomorrow. The Brewers need to win today and tomorrow so I understand why they started the inning with Guerra but I just don't understand why they didn't go straight to Hader once Guerra walked the first batter.


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Did Maddon just burn a reliever to pitch around Yelich?

"You're not going to have him when you want him and you're going to run out of games. He can't pitch 90 games. It's just not going to work. If anyone thinks it's going to work, show me how."- Craig Counsell on Josh Hader.


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jason21nl said:
I miss last year when Hader could pitch the 8th without question.


Biggest reason why it is in question now? JJ and Knebel not on the roster.

What is best in life? To crush the Cardinals and Cubs, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their fanboys.


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adambr2 said:
Brew4U said:
I guess I’m a little surprised by the meltdown of some fans. This team is just not in a position roster wise to make a run. They’ve been on fumes for awhile now.


I don't think people are melting down. Just would like to treat today and tomorrow as must win games, because they are. These are, in essence, playoff games for us.

Regardless of outcome we still probably won't make it but these 2 games have to be treated differently.


And you still need other pitchers not named Hader to do their jobs. It happened a season ago as much as people want to just remember Hader.


We don't have those pitchers from a season ago. Corey Knebel is not here. Corbin Burnes is not here, Brandon Woodruff is not here. Jeremy Jeffress is not here, Joakim Soria is not here. Yes you're still going to have to have to get other guys to perform as Freddy did tonight. But for today and tomorrow you have to do everything possible to maximize your chance of winning.


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Harvey'sWBs said:
jason21nl said:
I miss last year when Hader could pitch the 8th without question.


Biggest reason why it is in question now? JJ and Knebel not on the roster.


For sure. Last year was amazing. Just don't have those guys in the pen this year


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So close


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Ugh. I thought Thames got that.


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Man, why did Thames have to hit it there? Just pull it a little, big fella! Now we need some Gamel magic.

What is best in life? To crush the Cardinals and Cubs, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their fanboys.


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adambr2 said:
Ugh. I thought Thames got that.


So did BA.

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One hell of an AB


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Heck of at bat by Gamel


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