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2019-10-01 (NL Wild Card Game): Brewers (Woodruff) at Nationals (Scherzer) 7:08 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3 -- Nationals score 3 runs in 8th inning; Heartbreaking end to 2019]

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Posted: October 01, 2019, 10:21 PM Post
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This game is a microcosm of the season. Knebel not available, Hader too streaky, offense disappearing for long stretches. I wasn't as emotional involved with the team this season as most on this board, but followed closely enough to appreciate the September run and feel the punch gut at the end. However, I'll be over it this time tomorrow and will see this game as a fitting end to the season.


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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
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I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not they are going to hang a little banner up in the stadium for this year.


I'm sure they will, and it will be fine. This is a season, especially for the last month, that should be remembered and honored.


Really? I can understand in 2008, when it was a 1 WC team format. Or even if we had won tonight.

I had kind of hoped that we are past the point where we would celebrate being a team that lost the WC play-in game between the #4 and #5 seeded teams in the league. I can't imagine that is a thing in any other stadium, but maybe I am wrong.

Not saying that this season shouldn't be celebrated or that it was a disappointment, but I think our goals have gotten a little beyond that. This isn't 2007 anymore.


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On Arcia batting in the ninth? In a vaccuum, it was bad.

But the options on the bench were Pina, Perez, Tyler Austin and Tyrone Taylor. Don’t think any of those guys are much better, honestly.

A regret? Healthy Lo Cain would have had a shot at that Ryan Zimmerman duck snort. Sigh. Sometimes it just isn’t your day.


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adambr2 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
adambr2 said:
I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not they are going to hang a little banner up in the stadium for this year.


I'm sure they will, and it will be fine. This is a season, especially for the last month, that should be remembered and honored.


Really? I can understand in 2008, when it was a 1 WC team format. Or even if we had won tonight.

I had kind of hoped that we are past the point where we would celebrate being a team that lost the WC play-in game between the #4 and #5 seeded teams in the league. I can't imagine that is a thing in any other stadium, but maybe I am wrong.


Question because I don’t know the answer. Do the packers commemorate wild card appearances? Or even division championships?

Do the bucks do the same for playoff appearances, etc?


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Posted: October 01, 2019, 10:28 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
adambr2 said:
I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not they are going to hang a little banner up in the stadium for this year.


I'm sure they will, and it will be fine. This is a season, especially for the last month, that should be remembered and honored.


Really? I can understand in 2008, when it was a 1 WC team format. Or even if we had won tonight.

I had kind of hoped that we are past the point where we would celebrate being a team that lost the WC play-in game between the #4 and #5 seeded teams in the league. I can't imagine that is a thing in any other stadium, but maybe I am wrong.

Not saying that this season shouldn't be celebrated or that it was a disappointment, but I think our goals have gotten a little beyond that. This isn't 2007 anymore.


I think it's pretentious to poo-poo a season where you made the postseason. It isn't like this team deserves to have some type of Cardinals-esque sense of entitlement. Making the playoffs in MLB is tough, and doing it in back-to-back years is even tougher.


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Jimbo said:
This game is a microcosm of the season. Knebel not available, Hader too streaky, offense disappearing for long stretches. I wasn't as emotional involved with the team this season as most on this board, but followed closely enough to appreciate the September run and feel the punch gut at the end. However, I'll be over it this time tomorrow and will see this game as a fitting end to the season.



It’s kind of sad that a fitting end to the season is a game that featured a reLiever choking in the late inning. A schoolboy error. And 0 for a million with risp

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If you had told me in May that Hader would enter a game in the 8th inning with a 2 run lead and a win would send to the Brewers to the DS, I would have liked their chances. But, like a lot of others here, tonight there was a lot of apprehension.

My biggest disappointment will be getting a refund for the tickets I bought for Game 3 against the Dodgers on Sunday. Even if they had been down 2-0 I was looking forward to experiencing playoff baseball in person again. We don’t get that many chances around here.

Losing the way they lost tonight really hurts, but not even 10% as much as the loss in Game 7 last year. With Yelich out and Cain, Braun, and Moose impaired, it was hard for me to convince myself that the Brewers could go very far.


Same way I feel. Have no idea how anyone can equate a Wild Card loss with a win-or-go home shot at the World Series. There’s no comparison.

House money to even get in the playoffs with everything that went sideways this year, honestly.

Which is why I feel strangely fine about 2020, though the weaknesses of the structure of the offense need to be addressed.


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Posted: October 01, 2019, 10:29 PM Post
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Hard to consider the season a success in a vacuum. Everyone wanted to build on last year and they didn't. They're just older and worse now, by just about any measure. An impressive run to make a go of it in the end, but losing a play in game is not what I hoped to get from 2019.

Feel worse about 2020 than I did about 2019 last winter, too.

2011 will be the year I look back on and shake my head 30 years from now. Sure feels that way.


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Bob Skube Snacks said:
On Arcia batting in the ninth? In a vaccuum, it was bad.

But the options on the bench were Pina, Perez, Tyler Austin and Tyrone Taylor. Don’t think any of those guys are much better, honestly.

A regret? Healthy Lo Cain would have had a shot at that Ryan Zimmerman duck snort. Sigh. Sometimes it just isn’t your day.


Arcia had one of the few hits tonight, and has been hitting the ball better of late. I have no problem with him taking that AB. I feel like he's one of the few who doesn't go up there trying to constantly hit a homer.


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adambr2 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
adambr2 said:
I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not they are going to hang a little banner up in the stadium for this year.


I'm sure they will, and it will be fine. This is a season, especially for the last month, that should be remembered and honored.


Really? I can understand in 2008, when it was a 1 WC team format. Or even if we had won tonight.

I had kind of hoped that we are past the point where we would celebrate being a team that lost the WC play-in game between the #4 and #5 seeded teams in the league. I can't imagine that is a thing in any other stadium, but maybe I am wrong.

Not saying that this season shouldn't be celebrated or that it was a disappointment, but I think our goals have gotten a little beyond that. This isn't 2007 anymore.


After Yelich's injury... I had written off the playoffs. This team surprised me.

Losing Knebel for the season, and then Jeffress getting hurt and never being the same after... we lost 2/3 of the three-headed monster. Burnes had a horrific sophomore slump. We never got it back. Hader had to shoulder it alone for too long. He was arguably a little gassed.

Next year, if the Crew can bring back Pomeranz, they have a four-headed monster of Hader, Knebel, Pomeranz, and Peralta. That's if Suter's in the rotation again. If not, the bullpen is a five-headed monster.

Sometimes, you need to grade on a curve. This season is one of those times.


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Bob Skube Snacks said:
On Arcia batting in the ninth? In a vaccuum, it was bad.

But the options on the bench were Pina, Perez, Tyler Austin and Tyrone Taylor. Don’t think any of those guys are much better, honestly.


This wasn't Craig Counsell's best managed game by any stretch of the imagination. Substituting Hiura out for defense made plenty of sense, but if he had used Perez instead of Spangenberg, he would have has another lefty available to pinch hit in the 9th. Instead all he had left was Gamel, who he had to save for the pitcher's spot.

He was caught with his pants down when Arcia came up against Hudson in the 9th.


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OldSchoolSnapper said:
Hard to consider the season a success in a vacuum. Everyone wanted to build on last year and they didn't. They're just older and worse now, by just about any measure. An impressive run to make a go of it in the end, but losing a play in game is not what I hoped to get from 2019.

Feel worse about 2020 than I did about 2019 last winter, too.

2011 will be the year I look back on and shake my head 30 years from now. Sure feels that way.



I would call it a success because of what type of team they were at the all star break

But an absolutely failure from game 160 on. They should be playing more games. It was garbage.


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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Bob Skube Snacks said:
On Arcia batting in the ninth? In a vaccuum, it was bad.

But the options on the bench were Pina, Perez, Tyler Austin and Tyrone Taylor. Don’t think any of those guys are much better, honestly.

A regret? Healthy Lo Cain would have had a shot at that Ryan Zimmerman duck snort. Sigh. Sometimes it just isn’t your day.


Arcia had one of the few hits tonight, and has been hitting the ball better of late. I have no problem with him taking that AB. I feel like he's one of the few who doesn't go up there trying to constantly hit a homer.


As far as I'm concerned, for 2020, he's on a short leash. If he struggles to get to the Uecker line, I'm callin' for Moose at short and Braun at third.


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Bob Skube Snacks said:
BruisedCrew said:
If you had told me in May that Hader would enter a game in the 8th inning with a 2 run lead and a win would send to the Brewers to the DS, I would have liked their chances. But, like a lot of others here, tonight there was a lot of apprehension.

My biggest disappointment will be getting a refund for the tickets I bought for Game 3 against the Dodgers on Sunday. Even if they had been down 2-0 I was looking forward to experiencing playoff baseball in person again. We don’t get that many chances around here.

Losing the way they lost tonight really hurts, but not even 10% as much as the loss in Game 7 last year. With Yelich out and Cain, Braun, and Moose impaired, it was hard for me to convince myself that the Brewers could go very far.


Same way I feel. Have no idea how anyone can equate a Wild Card loss with a win-or-go home shot at the World Series. There’s no comparison.

House money to even get in the playoffs with everything that went sideways this year, honestly.

Which is why I feel strangely fine about 2020, though the weaknesses of the structure of the offense need to be addressed.


The stakes were obviously much higher, but the Brewers went down 3-2 in that series and down 5-1 in G7. You had time to digest it. Not tonight, when I was checking the start times of the series with LA minutes before we imploded again.


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I was sitting at DJs Goalpost with my pals and I told them I didn’t want Hader doing 2 innings. Honestly I think the worst thing that happened was that long Suter inning and long Pomeranz inning. That shifted everything towards disaster. So damn close.


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clancyphile said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Bob Skube Snacks said:
On Arcia batting in the ninth? In a vaccuum, it was bad.

But the options on the bench were Pina, Perez, Tyler Austin and Tyrone Taylor. Don’t think any of those guys are much better, honestly.

A regret? Healthy Lo Cain would have had a shot at that Ryan Zimmerman duck snort. Sigh. Sometimes it just isn’t your day.


Arcia had one of the few hits tonight, and has been hitting the ball better of late. I have no problem with him taking that AB. I feel like he's one of the few who doesn't go up there trying to constantly hit a homer.


As far as I'm concerned, for 2020, he's on a short leash. If he struggles to get to the Uecker line, I'm callin' for Moose at short and Braun at third.


Just stop ... not tonight. This borders on trolling IMO.


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willie key said:
Do the packers commemorate wild card appearances? Or even division championships. Do the bucks do the same for playoff appearances, etc?


Different sports. Access to the postseason is easier in both. Baseball is still the hardest postseason to qualify for. I have no problem with a little flag out there for the 2019 Wild Card. They’re not ostentatious anyway.


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OldSchoolSnapper said:
Hard to consider the season a success in a vacuum. Everyone wanted to build on last year and they didn't.


Outer space is a vacuum, our atmosphere protects us from that (for a little while longer anyway, maybe).

On planet Earth, as the NL was constituted in the year 2019, it's hard to consider this season anything but a success, with the Cubs, Phillies & Mets spending a half billion combined (to say nothing of the other NL clubs with postseason aspirations) just to fall short of where we ended up.

Everyone might have wanted to build on last year, but that would have necessitated going to the World Series (thee only way I'm aware of to building on losing in game 7 of the NLCS) & that was always a long shot considering the Dodgers juggernaut.


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Bob Skube Snacks said:
willie key said:
Do the packers commemorate wild card appearances? Or even division championships. Do the bucks do the same for playoff appearances, etc?


Different sports. Access to the postseason is easier in both. Baseball is still the hardest postseason to qualify for. I have no problem with a little flag out there for the 2019 Wild Card. They’re not ostentatious anyway.



Football is 6 out of 16 teams and baseball is 5 out of 15. So it’s pretty close. I could see putting a banner out for division titles listing the years but I don’t know about wild cards

I guess it doesn’t matter to me either way. But I do get the point people are making that playing and losing this game isn’t as big a deal as others make it out to be


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willie key said:
But an absolutely failure from game 160 on. They should be playing more games. It was garbage.


By game 160, 20 teams' entire seasons were ALREADY absolute failures.

I guess if you want to say we were ONLY the 10th best team this year, I can get behind that.


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