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2020-09-25, Game 1: Cardinals (Flaherty) at Brewers (Suter) [Brewers win, 3-0 -- Excellent start from Suter; Williams and Hader finish it off]

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Glad Urias is in the game for defense, definitely has the strongest arm of the options for 3B.


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Please don’t issue any walks here, Josh.


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Lotsa pitches already.


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YES. MOLINA K.

The words I said out loud were more, um, passionate.


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That's one.


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Ok, just need 2 out of 3 now.


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Got the win. Get another.


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Heck yeah!!! Now get game 2!!!


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BIG WIN! Live to play another.


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Might as well go out and sweep the doubleheader now.


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You don't know what is going to happen in game 2 so I have no issues with the decision to go with Hader on their best hitters.

They have Knebel and Rasmussen for game 2. They could get blown out too, making saving Hader useless.


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I thought Rasmussen would have been a great choice with a string of righties coming up and a comfy 3 run lead. The bizarre thing is that you know if we had gotten a 4th run, Hader would have sat down. I don't know when Counsell turned into Dusty Baker.

If we had Burnes or Woodruff coming up for Game 2 I could have understood it, but not Lindblom.

I do think Counsell is overall a good manager, but almost every move he has made this year is different than the way I would have done it.

Anyway, hope it won't matter, but it's going to be tough with no Hader, no Williams, no Peralta. Hopefully we can score some runs.


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You don't know what is going to happen in game 2 so I have no issues with the decision to go with Hader on their best hitters.

They have Knebel and Rasmussen for game 2. They could get blown out too, making saving Hader useless.


Having Knebel for Game 2 is probably not a positive.


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I thought Rasmussen would have been a great choice with a string of righties coming up and a comfy 3 run lead. The bizarre thing is that you know if we had gotten a 4th run, Hader would have sat down. I don't know when Counsell turned into Dusty Baker.

If we had Burnes or Woodruff coming up for Game 2 I could have understood it, but not Lindblom.

I do think Counsell is overall a good manager, but almost every move he has made this year is different than the way I would have done it.

Anyway, hope it won't matter, but it's going to be tough with no Hader, no Williams, no Peralta. Hopefully we can score some runs.

Agree with all of this


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LouisEly said:
You don't know what is going to happen in game 2 so I have no issues with the decision to go with Hader on their best hitters.

They have Knebel and Rasmussen for game 2. They could get blown out too, making saving Hader useless.


Yeah I feel like this has been Counsell's MO before. Get the win and don't worry about the next game.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: September 25, 2020, 5:41 PM Post
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homer said:
LouisEly said:
You don't know what is going to happen in game 2 so I have no issues with the decision to go with Hader on their best hitters.

They have Knebel and Rasmussen for game 2. They could get blown out too, making saving Hader useless.


Yeah I feel like this has been Counsell's MO before. Get the win and don't worry about the next game.


I wish he had felt that way in Game 4 of the NLCS when he chose to let Junior Guerra pitch to Cody Bellinger rather than a relief pitcher with 2 out and a man in scoring position with everything on the line.


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adambr2 said:
I thought Rasmussen would have been a great choice with a string of righties coming up and a comfy 3 run lead. The bizarre thing is that you know if we had gotten a 4th run, Hader would have sat down. I don't know when Counsell turned into Dusty Baker.

If we had Burnes or Woodruff coming up for Game 2 I could have understood it, but not Lindblom.

I do think Counsell is overall a good manager, but almost every move he has made this year is different than the way I would have done it.

Anyway, hope it won't matter, but it's going to be tough with no Hader, no Williams, no Peralta. Hopefully we can score some runs.

If Rasmussen lets a guy on Hader is getting back up. You know Counsell isn't giving him a long leash.


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Posted: September 25, 2020, 6:37 PM Post
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These are all must win games all hands on deck they have to use every arm at this point.


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adambr2 said:
homer said:
LouisEly said:
You don't know what is going to happen in game 2 so I have no issues with the decision to go with Hader on their best hitters.

They have Knebel and Rasmussen for game 2. They could get blown out too, making saving Hader useless.


Yeah I feel like this has been Counsell's MO before. Get the win and don't worry about the next game.


I wish he had felt that way in Game 4 of the NLCS when he chose to let Junior Guerra pitch to Cody Bellinger rather than a relief pitcher with 2 out and a man in scoring position with everything on the line.


In a game where you score 1 run in 13 innings and burn up a lot of pitchers to get there it’s hard to get too worked up about how the bullpen is used. Who would their other options have been?


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In a game where you score 1 run in 13 innings and burn up a lot of pitchers to get there it’s hard to get too worked up about how the bullpen is used. Who would their other options have been?


I didn't get worked up about Guerra being used. They pitched to Cody Bellinger with 2 out, a man in scoring position and the game on the line, when they could have literally faced a relief pitcher instead and likely gotten to the next inning. That is my issue. And it is still baffling.


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