LambeauLeap1250 WSSP


  
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next  [ 62 posts ]  New Topic   Add Reply

(Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes

Author Message
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#1

Posted: December 12, 2006, 3:49 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 3045
I don't really understand this. Isn't Barmes a shortstop?

test.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_4822447

Updated thread title --1992casey


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#2

Posted: December 12, 2006, 3:54 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 1361
Location: Baltimore, MD
Quote:
The Rockies have interest in Clark, but his salary is problematic - they would like the Brewers to eat $2 million of his $3.8 million contract - and they are not sure he could outperform Barmes if they try him in center field.


Looks like the Rockies are considering using Barmes in center. Maybe the Brewers want to complete their all-infield outfield?


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#3

Posted: December 12, 2006, 3:55 AM Post
User avatar

Director of Site Operations
Board Administrator
Posts: 7585
Not only is he a shortstop, he's pathetic offensively.

.224/.266/.342 career away from Coors Field.

I'd guess that this rumor is wrong.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#4

Posted: December 12, 2006, 3:58 AM Post
Posts: 10289
But Counsell is old and could get hurt at any time. We can't be embarrassed again so we must get Barmes to make sure everything will be ok in case Hardy and Counsell get hurt.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#5

Posted: December 12, 2006, 4:01 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 1410
Location: Green Bay, WI
So they want the Brewers to eat over half of Clark's salary for a guy who stinks offensively so we can play him out of position in CF?

And don't the Rockies remember Clark's catch in Coors Field? He's worth every penny of that $3.8 million! :lol

Gruber Lawffices


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#6

Posted: December 12, 2006, 4:50 AM Post
Posts: 99
Ive seen people suggest we trade clark for a bag of balls. I'd personally rather have clint barmes.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#7

Posted: December 12, 2006, 4:59 AM Post
Posts: 1132
Id much rather have Barmes.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#8

Posted: December 12, 2006, 4:59 AM Post
User avatar

Director of Site Operations
Board Administrator
Posts: 7585
[ I've seen people suggest we trade clark for a bag of balls. I'd personally rather have clint barmes. ]

I dunno... what kind of balls?

Clint Barmes is a detriment to anyone's roster.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#9

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:07 AM Post
Posts: 426
But Counsell is old and could get hurt at any time. We can't be embarrassed again so we must get Barmes to make sure everything will be ok in case Hardy and Counsell get hurt.

We sign a washed up reserve for two years and six million and then have to make a trade for a young guy in case the overpaid reserve gets hurt? This is roster mismanagement at a new level.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#10

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:13 AM Post
User avatar

Director of Site Operations
Board Administrator
Posts: 7585
[ We sign a washed up reserve for two years and six million and then have to make a trade for a young guy in case the overpaid reserve gets hurt? This is roster mismanagement at a new level. ]

Since SS is the biggest skill position on the defensive spectrum, we should have 12 position players including 2 catchers and 10 shortstops. That way, if the first 9 go down, we're still good to go. The other shortstops can shift to various positions. Heck, I bet Vinny Rottino can play shortstop. Even better.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#11

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:23 AM Post
User avatar
Global Moderator
Posts: 7571
Clint Barmes?

I guess KC didn't want to give up Angel Berroa.

Has Melvin taken a drug test lately?

Barmes had the worst BA of ANY player in the bigs last year, and the second worst OPS - .598. And at Coors!


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#12

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:25 AM Post
User avatar
Global Moderator
Posts: 4768
This one would make no sense at all to me, the only thing that would work is if Barmes is going in a 3-way deal.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#13

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:33 AM Post
Posts: 426
I'm all for getting rid of Brady though....


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#14

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:48 AM Post
Posts: 1132
Barmes was running away with ROY honors 2 years ago before he fell and got hurt. He had a very bad year last season but was projected to be a .300 hitter with 20/20 potential. Barmes isnt trash but I dont know why melvin wants to make this move.

Once again - if true - Melvin seems to always be sniffing around the 27-28 year old players. That said - I write this up to be internet rumors. I do wonder though if Counsell or Graffy might be involved in this deal. Maybe the Rocks arent comfortable turning over SS to Troy next generation Tulitowsky(sp) yet or just want a veteran backup?


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#15

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:53 AM Post
User avatar

Director of Site Operations
Board Administrator
Posts: 7585
[ Barmes was running away with ROY honors 2 years ago before he fell and got hurt. ]

Let's look at that ROY season:

Home: 332/.369/.508
Away: .239/.286/.350

The only reason he was running with ROY honors is because apparently the voters don't understand park effects.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#16

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:57 AM Post
Posts: 1132
With all due respect sir - I do not believe that Coors makes a .100 point difference in average and OBP. I do think that he was more comfortable at home and I do think colorado is a hitters park, but that big of a difference - I find that hard to blame on altitude.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#17

Posted: December 12, 2006, 5:58 AM Post
User avatar

BBQ Lefty
Global Moderator
Posts: 3765
I dunno... what kind of balls?

I hear the NBA has a bunch of sweet new balls available..


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#18

Posted: December 12, 2006, 6:02 AM Post
Posts: 1132
Not that its worth much but this is Barmes 2005 scouting report from Baseball America when they named him the 10th best prospect in rockies baseball.

10. Clint Barmes, ss
Age: 26. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 175.
Drafted: Indiana State, 2000 (10th round). Signed by: Ty Coslow.

Background: Viewed as a utilityman entering 2004, Barmes had the best year of his career and capped it by hitting his first big league homer off Carl Pavano in August.

Strengths: Barmes doesn't have an overwhelming tool, but his solid all-around game grows on you. His competitiveness is obvious at the plate. He makes contact and uses the whole field in the mold of a traditional No. 2 hitter. Barmes is strong enough that he can drive balls on the outer half if he stays on them. He has good speed and even better instincts on the bases.

Weaknesses: Barmes will need to draw more walks to bat near the top of the order. He's not flashy in the field, but his hands and footwork allow him to make routine plays. A center fielder at Indiana State, he possesses a strong arm, positions himself well and takes charge of situations.

The Future: Barmes will have the opportunity to claim Colorado's everyday shortstop job this spring. If he hits as expected, he'll give the Rockies more offense than they've ever gotten from a shortstop.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#19

Posted: December 12, 2006, 6:11 AM Post
User avatar

Director of Site Operations
Board Administrator
Posts: 7585
[ I do think that he was more comfortable at home and I do think colorado is a hitters park, but that big of a difference - I find that hard to blame on altitude. ]

It's not just altitutde... To adjust for altitude, the park is bigger than most others, making it a slap-hitter paradise.

Let's look at Cirillo's 2001 Coors Field experience:

Home: .362/.404/.571        
Away: .266/.327/.383        

Let's take a slap-hitter from this year, Jamey Carroll

Home: .375/.445/.483
Away: .220/.304/.318

Certainly, it isn't just the home cooking. I'm not saying ALL Rockies players batting averages vary by .100 points, but those who rely on BA to do their job are in for a shock outside Coors Field.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  (Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes
#20

Posted: December 12, 2006, 6:14 AM Post
Posts: 12510
Yet another head scratcher in an offseason full of them.

Only plausible reason is that Hardy's surgery wasn't as successful as we've been told.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next  [ 62 posts ]  New Topic   Add Reply
  


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: KeithStone53151, LincolnDD and 17 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search this forum (phpBB search):
Jump to:  
Search entire board (Google search):
Google
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Test