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Posted: December 12, 2006, 6:24 AM Post
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A Clark forr Barmes trade would be the weirdest trade I have ever seen, unless they think they can pass him through waivers and send him to AAA. I guess you can never have enough SS in the system (but you can have enough in the bigs.)


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 6:37 AM Post
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My thought is that if this was offerred, it was offered before they locked up Counsell. If it was done pre-Cousell, then it makes a lot more sense.

Who knows how stale this news is?


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 6:55 AM Post
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is barmes owed money?

I can see barmes as an add in to a deal to even salaries out, but otherwise, i think this is wishful thinking on the part of the colorado writer...

the rockies have the right idea though, as brady clark would probably bat .330 in coors...


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 7:06 AM Post
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Devil's Advocate: road splits tend to be skewed for all players in Coors Field, because the breaking ball is said to have more movement at the lower altitude. The affect isn't as dramatic when visiting teams stop in for 3-4 days and then hit the road, but is more substantial when the home team spends 7-10+ days at altitude, and then have to adjust to playing on the road.

For that reason, I don't think it's fair to look at any Rockies hitter, and presume that he will perform down to the level of his road splits.


It's a bit of an odd deal, in as much as we don't have a particularly good roster fit for Barnes at this point. Then again, the same could be said for Clark (if Hall is the everyday CF, with Gross backing him up, and Hart able to play center in a pinch).


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 7:10 AM Post
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Does Doug Melvin still think it's 2003, and the Brewers need a roster full of middling utility-type players or what?

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Posted: December 12, 2006, 7:11 AM Post
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I have always thought that you could never trust anything you read in the Denver Post Sports page...they seem to spew rumors, like a Internet Message Board.


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 7:36 AM Post
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I'd much rather subsidize part of Clark's salary for one of their bullpen arms like Corpas, Ramirez, or maybe even Affeldt. I could see Jeff Baker making some sense, if Mench is moved. More sense than Barmes, anyway.


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 7:55 AM Post
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If the Brewers could flip Clark, Mench or both for Baker, I'd wet myself.


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 7:57 AM Post
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This rumor doesn't have any underlying message to JJ Hardy's situation does it?


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 8:01 AM Post
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This rumor doesn't have any underlying message to JJ Hardy's situation does it?


Yeah, JJ Hardy is better than some teams starting SS---even if you ignore his potential for getting better...

Hardy is 3 years younger, and better in EVERY aspect of his game than Barmes


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 8:30 AM Post
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and we still didn't want cirillo? sheesh


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 8:30 AM Post
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Is Melvin trying to get himself fired here so he can take a higher profile job somewhere else?

What is going on?


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 8:38 AM Post
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Putting his age 26 rookie year in perspective, Clint's slightly above average .761 OPS translates into a below average 89 OPS+.

It looks like Barmes may have an option left. Maybe Doug's looking for AAA insurance? That might be enough motivation to deal Brady Clark.

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Posted: December 12, 2006, 8:47 AM Post
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[ It looks like Barmes may have an option left. Maybe Doug's looking for AAA insurance? That might be enough motivation to deal Brady Clark. ]

Only after he got to Colorado Springs (a notoriously extreme hitters park) did he touch .300 as a professional. He had a .677 OPS in A-ball, a .760 OPS in AA, and finally a .798 OPS in AAA.

He smacks of nothing special, to me. I don't know if he's even worth of spending a 40-man roster spot on.


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 9:21 AM Post
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How does Coors rank as a hitter's park since they started using the humidor to store the baseballs? I thought they moved down the food chain a little bit in terms of HR's and SLG.

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Posted: December 12, 2006, 9:25 AM Post
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I'm scratching my head over this. You spend $6 million on Counsell and then ship off Clark who's more useful for another backup SS? I suppose it's better than just waiving Clark, assuming you can option Barmes to AAA, but it doesn't make much sense to me. Are they planning on keeping Mench now?

Edit: I could understand it more if it was part of a 3 way deal. Maybe including a team like the Royals. It doesn't seem to make much sense for the Brewers.

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Posted: December 12, 2006, 9:29 AM Post
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Sheets even has a hit at Coors.


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 9:42 AM Post
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Oh man I would love to have Barmes here. Only for the reason that when me and some friends went to Colorado to see the crew we kept saying when we went out after the game we were going to make a Bar-Mess.

But seriously he is awful and I don't know why we would want him unless we are trying to clog up our infield as well as our outfield.


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 9:48 AM Post
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Barmes was pretty good as a rookie in '05, although his fielding stats were nothing too special... I gotta believe that the Brewers didn't offer Clark for Barmes straight up. There has gotta be more to it than that, if there is any truth whatsoever in any of it


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Posted: December 12, 2006, 10:04 AM Post
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This deal may have made sense a few weeks ago, but now with our wealth of mediocre middle infielders I don't see the point. My only hope is that he is a part of a larger deal.

Barmes would be a good buy low candidate. He's not all that young, but he was having a great rookie year before the unfortunate venison accident. Last year his numbers were bad, but he did hit lefties pretty well. If he can play center, he could platoon with Gross......but so could Brady Clark.


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