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Offline  Why not Marquis instead of Lieber
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Posted: December 08, 2006, 9:25 AM Post
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There has been a lot of talk about a possible deal for Lieber. Rumors have the Crew possibly sending Tbow AND Mench to Philly for a 37 year old pitcher who's getting paid $7 mil plus.

I realize Jason Marquis is coming off a terrible year (6+ ERA), but his previous years he's really been pretty good. My question is, would you rather have Marquis and not have to give up anything and hope that Maddux can bring him back to his career norm. Or, would you want Lieber for $7 mi + and have to give up Mench and Tbow?

I guess I would want Marquis and I'm not sure why the Crew wouldn't explore that option first before a trade.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 9:46 AM Post
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Marquis will probably demand about 10 million dollars per in this ridiculous free agent environment. That would be a key reason why, I'd imagine.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 9:52 AM Post
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Plus the proposed deal to get Lieber, as I understand it, unloads some salary.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 9:53 AM Post
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Marquis will probably demand about 10 million dollars per in this ridiculous free agent environment.


I'm guessing more than that, Lilly got $10 million and has a career 162 Avg. ERA of 4.60, While Marquis has one of 4.55, granted Lilly is a lefty and has been an all star, but he won't come for very cheap.

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Posted: December 08, 2006, 10:22 AM Post
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But do you want Marquis for 4-5 years? because he's not going to sign for less.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 10:38 AM Post
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But do you want Marquis for 4-5 years?


I don't even want him for one year.

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Posted: December 08, 2006, 10:50 AM Post
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Right now it doesn't really look like we will be able to land Lieber either.

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Posted: December 08, 2006, 10:54 AM Post
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I like Marquis. I have to believe he will improve over this past year. Although, La Russa lost all confidence in him and doesn't want him back.

I also like Mulder. I have no idea how good Mulder will be after his surgery or when he'll return, but several teams are talking to him, so they must feel he will be ready.

I've got no idea of much much money each pitcher would demand to be paid. I think both pitchers are better than Mench, Lieber and Lilly.

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Posted: December 08, 2006, 11:20 AM Post
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I guess I can see why some may think Marquis will still get a good contract.

My thinking was that he's coming off a really poor year and really didn't have an "excuse" (injury, etc). I thought he'd be a guy looking at signing a short term deal, hopefully improve his production and cash in next year.

Other points are definately valid as t his is a crazy year for Free Agency. I guess I have a hard time gauging it


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 11:31 AM Post
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The benefit of acquiring Lieber is that if you're getting a marginal starter to bridge the gap, you want him for only a year or two instead of being stuck with him for 5 years. Lieber is a good guy to come in for a year until Yo develops and you know just what you've got on your hands in CV and Vargas.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 12:17 PM Post
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I say let Sheets go via trade or free agency when his time is up and sign Marquis to a market average deal for a pitcher coming off of a season with a 6.00+ ERA and 3 of the past 5 years of ERA over 5.00, to a 4 year 44 million dollar deal. At least we can count on 225 innings of below average innings, which is more than I can say for the EXTREMELY overpaid and disappointing Ben Sheets.






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Posted: December 08, 2006, 1:01 PM Post
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Call it ridiculous but the new going rate for a #3-4 pitcher is 10 million a year. I would guess 39 million for 4 years is the absolute lowest we can go if we want to land Marquis. It will likely take more than that.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 1:32 PM Post
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3 of the past 5 years of ERA over 5.00, to a 4

Dude pitched 40 innings in '03 w/an ERA of 5.53. I think that's too small of a sample to really validate this "fact".


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 4:10 PM Post
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I wouldnt touch Marquis with a 50 foot pole. Villanueva and Zach Jackson are both better then he is today for probably 1/20th the cost.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 5:37 PM Post
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I would love to add Marquis, however, I can't imagine us getting him.

Remember, his numbers are horribly skewed because of two outings when he got shelled. He was hit so hard because the night before the previous start got lit up. He took one (or two) for the team, and didn't complain. The rest of the time he's more than adequate.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 5:48 PM Post
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ESPN's rumor central says Marquis wants 10 mil per season!!

Go get him Cubbies!!!


Actually, if I want to throw 7 million at a pitcher, I try to resign Ohka. He is pretty solid.


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Posted: December 08, 2006, 7:49 PM Post
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Remember, his numbers are horribly skewed because of two outings when he got shelled.


And also remember even if you take out those two starts his numbers are still bad.

184.2 IP/5.12 ERA/1.44 WHIP/72 BB's/89 K's

He's not better than what we currently have and will cost a lot of money to be mediocre.

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Posted: December 09, 2006, 11:40 AM Post
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I would have signed him for 3yrs and 20 mil, I thought he would be a lot more expensive than that.

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Posted: December 09, 2006, 1:00 PM Post
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Marquis is a bad pitcher, he had decent ERA's a couple of years because the best defense in baseball was behind him and he got a bit of luck. I'm very happy that we didn't get him.


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Posted: December 09, 2006, 1:07 PM Post
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I would have signed him for 3yrs and 20 mil, I thought he would be a lot more expensive than that.

Doug Davis would have been a much better investment.


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