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Posted: April 21, 2017, 12:01 PM Post
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From Fangraphs chat today - Interesting take:


Josh 10:19
If Eric Thames continues to mash, what do you think the odds are that the Brewers would entertain trading him? Would the sample size be large enough to warrant a return that would make a trade worthwhile? His contract looks like a steal, but he isn't exactly young.



Jeff Sullivan 10:20

This is going to be one of the most interesting questions leading up to the deadline, and it's also going to depend on how the rest of the Brewers develop. If they feel like they're getting close, Thames will stick. But if the younger players are taking their time, Thames could be a massive trade asset, given how little he costs


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MillerParkSouth said:
From Fangraphs chat today - Interesting take:

This is going to be one of the most interesting questions leading up to the deadline, and it's also going to depend on how the rest of the Brewers develop. If they feel like they're getting close, Thames will stick. But if the younger players are taking their time, Thames could be a massive trade asset, given how little he costs


Seems like the typical take. If you think you can compete at least in 2019-2020 no reason to trade him.


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Posted: April 21, 2017, 12:48 PM Post
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brewmann04 said:
I am sure that all the extra OF/Middle Inf that DS has obtained will be used for some possible young arms down the road


I don't think we have much for extra INF depth. Dubon/Diaz are nice, but not all that close. Not to mention the current middle infielders leaving a lot to be desired.


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Posted: April 21, 2017, 12:54 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
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We're a player or 2 away from becoming a Playoff caliber team.


I agree if those two players were Kershaw and Scherzer. I don't see how we can really think we are a playoff team with our starting staff.



I guess it depends on how high people are with the likes of Hader and Woodruff.


Even if Hader and Woodruff were the #1 and #2 prospects in all of baseball, they threw 126 and 158 innings respectively last year. There's little chance they would be allowed to pitch much more than 160 or 180 innings this year which gets you to maybe early September.

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Posted: April 21, 2017, 2:09 PM Post
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homer said:
brewcrewdue80 said:
We're a player or 2 away from becoming a Playoff caliber team.


Even if Hader and Woodruff were the #1 and #2 prospects in all of baseball, they threw 126 and 158 innings respectively last year. There's little chance they would be allowed to pitch much more than 160 or 180 innings this year which gets you to maybe early September.
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Thats a good call. But lets say you move Hader to Bullpen when you trade Feliz. Woodruff you can plan some innings limits in May/June. Bullpen in the minors and stretching him back out the last 2weeks of the deadline when you move any or multiple SPs. Or put both in Bullpen and you spend Playoffs with a couple Bullpen games around 2 starters? Say Nelson was 1starter. Anderson/Davies lead game two with Bullpen guys. Game 3 Peralta or Guerra. Game 4 would be Woodruff, Hader bullpen. Looking for 3IP out of them. Probably should put Hader with Anderson and Davies with Woodruff for a real change of pace. You look for 3-4 IP getting 6-7 total out of the two. Finish with your setup/closers.

You know it'll be fun regardless if the series is a complete wreck because hey were supposed be at rebuilding stage not prepared for a Post-season.

Hader and his innings seems perfect for a Bullpen addition late in the season, Woodruff can probably handle more than 180IP isnt it like 24-30IP a ground rule these days?

Or how about they piggyback the two as the 6th man rotation come mid July?


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Posted: April 21, 2017, 3:20 PM Post
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MillerParkSouth said:
From Fangraphs chat today - Interesting take:


Josh 10:19
If Eric Thames continues to mash, what do you think the odds are that the Brewers would entertain trading him? Would the sample size be large enough to warrant a return that would make a trade worthwhile? His contract looks like a steal, but he isn't exactly young.



Jeff Sullivan 10:20

This is going to be one of the most interesting questions leading up to the deadline, and it's also going to depend on how the rest of the Brewers develop. If they feel like they're getting close, Thames will stick. But if the younger players are taking their time, Thames could be a massive trade asset, given how little he costs

If he is hitting say .280/.380 25 HR and the Brewers are on the very edge of contention, the trade return would have to be absolutely massive (thinking Eaton for Moncada/Giolito) for me to consider dealing Thames at his age/cost.


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I could very well see Thames going to Houston in a trade. The Stros also have some very nice pitching prospects as well.


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Thames is 30, not 26.

Fan is short for fanatic.
I blame Wang.


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Thames is 30, not 26.


So? The guy is in incredible shape and hasn't played long MLB seasons. If we are concerned with Thames being 30 Braun better get traded ASAP. Expecting Thames to produce the next 4 years doesn't seem far fetched. He reminds me of shredded Giambi who did quite well through that age(though...steroids).


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Posted: April 22, 2017, 12:43 PM Post
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Thames is 30, not 26.

What does this even mean? Adam Eaton is 28 and the White Sox got MLB.com's #1 and #9 overall prospect in MLB for him. If Thames is hitting .280 with 25 HR at the deadline, I wouldn't expect anything less of a package as he would certainly be more valuable than Adam Eaton.

Statements like that without explanation come across as snarky.


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Posted: April 22, 2017, 1:49 PM Post
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I could very well see Thames going to Houston in a trade. The Stros also have some very nice pitching prospects as well.


If the Crew is scuffling a little bit going into the break, Thames is still mashing and Peralta is pitching great still, I'd certainly entertain a Thames and Peralta to Houston for Martes, Paulino, AJ Reed and JD Davis. Turn to the Dodgers and get two of their top arms and our farm system goes to #1 really fast


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Posted: April 22, 2017, 2:18 PM Post
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billymac said:
HighHeat19 said:
I could very well see Thames going to Houston in a trade. The Stros also have some very nice pitching prospects as well.


If the Crew is scuffling a little bit going into the break, Thames is still mashing and Peralta is pitching great still, I'd certainly entertain a Thames and Peralta to Houston for Martes, Paulino, AJ Reed and JD Davis. Turn to the Dodgers and get two of their top arms and our farm system goes to #1 really fast


Peralta is pitching great? He has a 4.71 ERA, 4.32 FIP and 4.90 xFIP, and his walks are up and Ks are down. Couple nice outings I guess but for the most part same old Wily and no real trade value.


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Posted: April 22, 2017, 3:09 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
billymac said:
HighHeat19 said:
I could very well see Thames going to Houston in a trade. The Stros also have some very nice pitching prospects as well.


If the Crew is scuffling a little bit going into the break, Thames is still mashing and Peralta is pitching great still, I'd certainly entertain a Thames and Peralta to Houston for Martes, Paulino, AJ Reed and JD Davis. Turn to the Dodgers and get two of their top arms and our farm system goes to #1 really fast


Peralta is pitching great? He has a 4.71 ERA, 4.32 FIP and 4.90 xFIP, and his walks are up and Ks are down. Couple nice outings I guess but for the most part same old Wily and no real trade value.


Not great, bad words. He had a 2.65 era before yesterday's start in the first 3 games and was solid since his demotion last year.


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Posted: April 22, 2017, 4:28 PM Post
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Why stop at Braun and Thames? Shaw is 27. Villar is 26. Bandy and Barnes are 27. Broxton will soon be 27. None will! be around when this team is good if they unload their two best hitters for prospects. Neither will I. Heck I'll be 65 later this year.


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Why stop at Braun and Thames? Shaw is 27. Villar is 26. Bandy and Barnes are 27. Broxton will soon be 27. None will! be around when this team is good if they unload their two best hitters for prospects. Neither will I. Heck I'll be 65 later this year.


Exactly! All these guys can be traded for the right offer.


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Posted: April 22, 2017, 8:58 PM Post
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There is zero reason to trade Thames at this point. No one is going to give much for him now anyhow no matter how incredible his April has been.

Maybe next year this is a valid conversation but if he is putting up a 900 OPS at his cost, why trade him? He would be a franchise player at that point on a team that doesn't have too many of those.


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None of it matters if this team continues to display the defensive abilities of a 10 year old.


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Warning Track Power said:
logan82 said:
Thames is 30, not 26.

What does this even mean? Adam Eaton is 28 and the White Sox got MLB.com's #1 and #9 overall prospect in MLB for him. If Thames is hitting .280 with 25 HR at the deadline, I wouldn't expect anything less of a package as he would certainly be more valuable than Adam Eaton.

Statements like that without explanation come across as snarky.


Adam Eaton has been one a good player for three straight years on a cheap contract. Thames will have one half season in July. He is just riskier than Eaton and won't bring the same talent back, even ignoring that Eaton is in his prime and Thames is nearing the end of his. After teh end of this season you may get something closer to what Eaton brought back.


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Posted: April 23, 2017, 9:52 AM Post
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I think it's one thing to want a guy traded and another to guess as to what he'd bring in return.

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Posted: April 23, 2017, 1:42 PM Post
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endaround said:
Warning Track Power said:
logan82 said:
Thames is 30, not 26.

What does this even mean? Adam Eaton is 28 and the White Sox got MLB.com's #1 and #9 overall prospect in MLB for him. If Thames is hitting .280 with 25 HR at the deadline, I wouldn't expect anything less of a package as he would certainly be more valuable than Adam Eaton.

Statements like that without explanation come across as snarky.


Adam Eaton has been one a good player for three straight years on a cheap contract. Thames will have one half season in July. He is just riskier than Eaton and won't bring the same talent back, even ignoring that Eaton is in his prime and Thames is nearing the end of his. After teh end of this season you may get something closer to what Eaton brought back.

Just a slight correction, the Eaton trade didn't include Moncada. It still seemed like a high return at the time, but was with the Nationals for a return of Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez, and Dane Dunning.


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