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Posted: July 15, 2017, 12:30 PM Post
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I personally think the best bets are Samardzjia and Verlander, because the Brewers have the ability to take on significant salary which will lower the price in prospects, and both are signed for multiple seasons so the Brewers could trade either this offseason or next deadline and get most of what they paid back.

Verlander is 34 and owed $28M for each of next two seasons plus remainder of 2017 (~$13M) so it won't take that much to acquire him.

Verlander + cash to cover most of Verlander's remaining 2017 salary ($10M) for Ray + Dubon + two of Wilkerson/Lopez/Derby I think is a good starting point. Kinsler is 35 and has a $5M buyout after this season (or one season at $12M left) and Iglesias hasn't been anything special and is a FA in 2019, so Dubon has value to them. Wilkerson can move right into the ML rotation. Change of scenery might do Lopez good.


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Posted: July 15, 2017, 1:00 PM Post
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I just can't see giving up that much for Verlander, when the Tigers are going nowhere. Verlander is on the downside of his career, obviously, and with the Tigers having no possible playoff shot in the near future, they should be dying to shed that bloated salary. Giving up those prospects PLUS paying off his salary is an absolute rip-off for us.

I really, REALLY hope we don't even kick his tires for an offer like that.


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Posted: July 15, 2017, 1:15 PM Post
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Verlander is pitching like crap. If we take on his whole salary and give up a couple of nothing prospects to gamble that he becomes a 3 starter or something, that's fine but I'm not giving up anything of value for him. Ray and Dubon is an insane price for him.

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Posted: July 15, 2017, 1:41 PM Post
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The Tigers want a big return without eating any contract. They won't get that, but they are wanting a premium return for him. He's been a franchise player for them for more than a decade, and they're not looking to give him away, just like we haven't been looking to give Braun away even when rebuilding.

Verlander's contract, NTC, recent production, age, and value put on him by the Tigers make him a very poor trade match for anyone let alone us.


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Posted: July 15, 2017, 2:00 PM Post
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Verlander is pitching like crap. If we take on his whole salary and give up a couple of nothing prospects to gamble that he becomes a 3 starter or something, that's fine but I'm not giving up anything of value for him. Ray and Dubon is an insane price for him.

I agree.

Samardzjia at least has good secondary numbers, he's just given up a lot of home rums, 18 in 118 innings. I wouldn't give up to much in prospects for him either since he's owed 60 million and is 32, but i'd trade for him before Verlander without a second thought.


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Posted: July 15, 2017, 2:32 PM Post
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I'm not interested in Fulmer given the likely price. He will be valued like an ace but his K/9 and advanced metrics are less elite and thus somewhat worrisome.


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Posted: July 15, 2017, 3:22 PM Post
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If we are giving up our top prospects than give us DeGrom or keep what we have. Were going to get burned with the likes of Gray, Verlander or any of these mid to mediocre level guys.


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Posted: July 16, 2017, 5:52 PM Post
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I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.


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Posted: July 16, 2017, 6:14 PM Post
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I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.


When I watch Jungmann pitch I don't see an MLB pitcher.


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Posted: July 16, 2017, 7:02 PM Post
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LouisEly said:
I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.



Not by me. He's had really good stretches before. I'd rather give him a few starts than make some of these proposed moves. He has pitched well in Colorado Springs this year..for whatever that's worth.

It's really too bad that Peralta can't pitch with Nelson's aggressive approach. His stuff is as good. He's just constantly trying to nibble..which makes no sense to me with a mid 90's fastball that has good life. But I think we've seen the last of him. Probably both of them, but I do agree, at least give Jungman a shot if you need a starter.


I also do like the idea of waiting a couple weeks. I'd like to see if the last 3 games by the Cubs were their bats starting to wake up or them facing a bad team.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 8:25 AM Post
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Alex Cobb anyone? 2.19 ERA last 7 starts - But he is more of a fly ball SP now


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 8:37 AM Post
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Alex Cobb anyone? 2.19 ERA last 7 starts - But he is more of a fly ball SP now


Nice thought but with the Rays only 2 games back in the AL EAST, I don't think he'd be on the block.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 9:06 AM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
mlloyd10 said:
Alex Cobb anyone? 2.19 ERA last 7 starts - But he is more of a fly ball SP now


Nice thought but with the Rays only 2 games back in the AL EAST, I don't think he'd be on the block.


Thinking was they could bring up Honeywell then - Broxton for Cobb - We bring up Brinson


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 9:42 AM Post
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Bob Nightengale is now reporting that the Marlins will not be shopping several star players this deadline, including Dan Straily.

I'll go ahead and take Straily off the trade target list.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 10:16 AM Post
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If we are giving up our top prospects than give us DeGrom or keep what we have. Were going to get burned with the likes of Gray, Verlander or any of these mid to mediocre level guys.


You just cannot put Gray and Verlander in the same category or deGrom for that matter. Gray is just entering his prime and is pitching extremely well right now (3 ER allowed in last 4 starts). Verlander is well past his prime and not pitching well now. When fully healthy Gray's been the equal of deGrom if you consider he's been in the AL. deGrom would cost more in prospects if he were available (he's not) because he has 2 more years of control than Gray has not because his future is any more certain. Gray's 2014 and 2015 numbers were outstanding. He was injured in 2016 and is just now rounding into his 14-15 form.

Gray might not get the Brewers to the playoffs this year, but he gives them a shot this year and next year which is something they weren't expecting, and if he performs well and the team doesn't, he'll still have considerable trade value where the Brewers can recover most of the value in prospects they surrender this year.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 10:42 AM Post
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Great post John Briggs!

Use prospects now to land Gray.

In the offseason, trade one of Santana, Villar or Broxton to re-stock farm assests.

Their is some risk involved but the potential reward (playoffs) outweighs it, IMHO.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 10:43 AM Post
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wallus said:
LouisEly said:
I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.


When I watch Jungmann pitch I don't see an MLB pitcher.


Depends on when you looked. Jungmann was solid for 15 or so starts just 2 years ago, and he's been very good at AAA this year. He's no prime prospect but he fits very well as a 3rd piece in a Gray trade as he could step into their rotation right now. Having a guy like that in the offer might help swing a deal in their direction or allow you too not give up quite as much with the top pieces. As far as his Brewer future, only if they fall too far behind and want to look at 2018 candidates in September.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 11:02 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
wallus said:
LouisEly said:
I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.


When I watch Jungmann pitch I don't see an MLB pitcher.


Depends on when you looked. Jungmann was solid for 15 or so starts just 2 years ago, and he's been very good at AAA this year. He's no prime prospect but he fits very well as a 3rd piece in a Gray trade as he could step into their rotation right now. Having a guy like that in the offer might help swing a deal in their direction or allow you too not give up quite as much with the top pieces. As far as his Brewer future, only if they fall too far behind and want to look at 2018 candidates in September.


When Jungmann's mechanics are working and he's hitting 94-95 with his fastball, he's an MLB caliber pitcher. That's what we saw 2 years ago. When he's sitting very low 90s and can't spot his pitches, he can't even have success in AA. That's what we saw last year. I agree with Briggs and like the idea of dealing Jungmann whether we can get good value for him or not as I'm not willing to deal with his stretches of mechanics being out of sync.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 11:42 AM Post
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I'd say at this point Jungmann could be a 5th piece type throw in to a deal with a team like the A's.

It would be more of a favor to Jungmann, so he could go to a team that would be possibly be able to give him an opportunity to salvage a career at some point.

He will not really be worth a spot on our 40-man roster very soon.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 12:04 PM Post
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Didn't we just restock the minor league system with 25-30 guys from the draft?


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