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Offline  Ian Kinsler
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Posted: July 18, 2017, 6:39 PM Post
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He isn't doing well.... 242 BA, 9 HR 327 OBP. He's 35. Yet...... oh yet, being in a playoff run could revitalize this guy. He's signed for 11 million this year; club option at 10 million for next year. This makes us deeper, not having to rely on Villar as much. More than anything, this deal shouldn't cost us a top prospect. Plus, it looks like Detroit is looking to rid salary. Plus, it would bridge the gap to 2019 when one of our prospects (Diaz, Dubon) should be ready at 2B.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 7:48 PM Post
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Posted: July 18, 2017, 8:08 PM Post
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IIRC he has a no trade clause/rights... He refused a deal to the dodgers this past offseason unless they picked up his option year..


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 8:09 PM Post
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rickh150 said:
He isn't doing well.... 242 BA, 9 HR 327 OBP. He's 35. Yet...... oh yet, being in a playoff run could revitalize this guy. He's signed for 11 million this year; club option at 10 million for next year. This makes us deeper, not having to rely on Villar as much. More than anything, this deal shouldn't cost us a top prospect. Plus, it looks like Detroit is looking to rid salary. Plus, it would bridge the gap to 2019 when one of our prospects (Diaz, Dubon) should be ready at 2B.


Dave Stewart is that you? Come on Mr. Stewart these are the trades that got you fired in the first place!


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 9:53 PM Post
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If he isn't that good, we wouldn't have to give up that much, correct? Funny to say this is a bad Deal when what we would have to give up isn't listed. All I know is that it would be a low cost (prospect wise) upgrade at 2B.


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Posted: July 18, 2017, 11:12 PM Post
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Come again? I'll ride Villar into the ground before trading for a old light hitting 2nd baseman that's overpaid. Villar has a pretty good track record outside of this year at the plate. I lean this year as the oddball rather than 2015, 2016. Take a look at what happened the last time we gave up on a promising looking INF and where he's been since (Segura).


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Posted: July 19, 2017, 7:56 AM Post
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Come again? I'll ride Villar into the ground before trading for a old light hitting 2nd baseman that's overpaid. Villar has a pretty good track record outside of this year at the plate. I lean this year as the oddball rather than 2015, 2016. Take a look at what happened the last time we gave up on a promising looking INF and where he's been since (Segura).


Villar had one good season that came out of nowhere. He wasn't nearly as highly regarded as a prospect as Segura was. He was filler for Houston in their monumental tanking period until their real prospects showed up. Not saying I'd deal for Kinsler unless Sogard can't return, but the value for Villar isn't all that high. His defense is a red flag too. Sure he makes some highlight plays but turns too many routine outs into adventures.


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Posted: July 19, 2017, 8:02 AM Post
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superfly said:
Come again? I'll ride Villar into the ground before trading for a old light hitting 2nd baseman that's overpaid. Villar has a pretty good track record outside of this year at the plate. I lean this year as the oddball rather than 2015, 2016. Take a look at what happened the last time we gave up on a promising looking INF and where he's been since (Segura).


He had 29 HRs last season...
We would still have Sogard; Villar would be here or in AAA for insurance.


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Posted: July 20, 2017, 1:37 PM Post
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Makes contact, walks, low K
Control for next season


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Posted: July 20, 2017, 1:42 PM Post
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Heart and hustle award leader... last year and this year.


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Posted: July 20, 2017, 2:37 PM Post
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Heart and hustle award leader... last year and this year.


Ok now I am confused is this Dave Stewart or Steve Phillips?


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Posted: July 20, 2017, 3:32 PM Post
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nate82 said:
rickh150 said:
Heart and hustle award leader... last year and this year.


Ok now I am confused is this Dave Stewart or Steve Phillips?


Where did I mention that we were giving up big prospects? Just today, the Brewers are connected to Verlander and taking on salary and presumably giving up no top prospects.... I see us taking on salary somewhere for pitching and hopefully a Kinsler type bat.


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Posted: July 20, 2017, 3:37 PM Post
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rickh150 said:
nate82 said:
rickh150 said:
Heart and hustle award leader... last year and this year.


Ok now I am confused is this Dave Stewart or Steve Phillips?


Where did I mention that we were giving up big prospects? Just today, the Brewers are connected to Verlander and taking on salary and presumably giving up no top prospects.... I see us taking on salary somewhere for pitching and hopefully a Kinsler type bat.


Giving up anyone for these players is just dumb.


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Posted: July 22, 2017, 9:23 AM Post
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Brewers looking into it...

https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/ ... 3766612992


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Posted: July 22, 2017, 9:46 AM Post
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Not much positional flexibility with Kinsler, but I guess if they are ready to give up on Villar for this year it is possible. I can't imagine he would cost much in terms of prospects since acquiring him basically saves the Tigers from having to pay his remaining salary this year and the additional $5 million buyout they would owe him to get out of his $12 million option for next year. The highest acquisition cost I can envision even if the Tigers include some cash is maybe a couple of prospects the caliber of Tyrone Taylor or Taylor Williams.

EDIT: I might have been a little low on the prospect guess, but I would be frustrated if they gave up any top 20 prospect in the system for a couple of months of Ian Kinsler. Maybe Demi Orimoloye or Josh Pennington are a better representation of the best prospects I would give up.


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Posted: July 22, 2017, 10:45 AM Post
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No. Kinsler is no upgrade over what the Brewers currently have assuming Sogard is healthy again.


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Posted: July 22, 2017, 11:24 AM Post
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Sogard is a FA after the season. I'm sure the Brewers would like him back but in a utility role. It appears Brewers are putting themselves in position for a run next year. I'm fine with them giving up on Villar. Dubon is the future at 2B. Kinsler,/Sogard make great bridge.

Kinsler has an .844 OPS vs. LHP this year. Cubs 2 top starters now and next year are LH.

Villar's OPS vs LHP this year? A pathetic .547.

Kinsler/Sogard soft platoon is a huge upgrade. Huge.


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Posted: July 22, 2017, 11:34 AM Post
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I'm guessing his defense is still good? Only way I could see it making sense. Offensively it makes absolutely no sense. Sure Sogard is gone after this year, but Ian Kinsler is pretty darn expensive. Could easily just bring back Sogard or sign some other dude similar to Kinsler for less. Must want the defense to help the pitching. Getting him to hit against lefties is a good point, but really worth money and prospects?


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Posted: July 22, 2017, 11:43 AM Post
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superfly said:
Come again? I'll ride Villar into the ground before trading for a old light hitting 2nd baseman that's overpaid. Villar has a pretty good track record outside of this year at the plate. I lean this year as the oddball rather than 2015, 2016. Take a look at what happened the last time we gave up on a promising looking INF and where he's been since (Segura).


Agreed. The last thing we need is a middle infielder. We traded for several and used our first round pick on one this year. We just unloaded Segura and Scooter and we have Villar and Sogard is having a career year and just came off the DL. Enough 2B for this team.

Hard pass on Kinsler.


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Posted: July 22, 2017, 11:54 AM Post
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If he comes as a salary relief for them I'd be interested. I think he would be an improvement over the current guys...but not a lot. middle infield would be our last need if you ask me.


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