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I'm not surprised by the interest, to be expected. I don't think Santana is a realistic play for the Giants, plus he would be an absolute disaster defensively in that giant outfield. If for some reason that deal does happen, it has to include some MLB talent.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 4:35 PM Post
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Short of MadBum, the Giants have nothing I want for Santana.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 4:40 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
Short of MadBum, the Giants have nothing I want for Santana.


Not that this is realistic, but some combination of Strickland/2 top prospects/Samardja with a chunk of his salary coming our way might make sense. They have MLB pieces that would help the team that aren't off limits(poser/mad bum/cueto/etc)

I'm not advocating the trade, just saying with MLB players they have some firepower.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 4:47 PM Post
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Santana is going to be 25 next year and won't be eligible for free agency until 2022. He could hit 40 bombs next season if he stays healthy. Price tag should be high.

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Posted: December 08, 2017, 4:54 PM Post
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If you're punting on 2018 and plan on playing Brinson in CF and Phillips in RF, I would understand moving Santana for a controllable stud SP. However, since I don't believe this is the strategy the Brewers will be going with in 2018, short of the Rays offering Archer or Blue Jays offering Stroman for a Santana-led package, trading Santana doesn't make sense.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 5:28 PM Post
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It would take a king’s ransom to get the Brewers’ attention


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 5:37 PM Post
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The giants would almost have to give more for Santana than Stanton, prospect wise. I’d try to push Braxton in a trade with them. Their farm is dismal at best.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 5:38 PM Post
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Their top 4 prospects plus Samadjia. Done.

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Posted: December 08, 2017, 8:14 PM Post
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I don't see dealing Santana as " punting" on 2018. They can get plenty back and still have plenty to spend on a bat. Carlos Gonzalez anyone? Thames can play OF too allowing Aguilar to play full time at 1B or they can make a run at Hosmer.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 8:18 PM Post
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3 way trade. We send Domingo Santana to the Giants. We send Isan Diaz to Tampa. Giants send Arroyo, Shaw and Beede to Tampa. And Tampa sends us Archer.

Make this happen Stearns!


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 8:22 PM Post
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3 way trade. We send Domingo Santana to the Giants. We send Isan Diaz to Tampa. Giants send Arroyo, Shaw and Beede to Tampa. And Tampa sends us Archer.

Make this happen Stearns!


Why do you want us to lose 90 games?


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 8:29 PM Post
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nate82 said:
HighHeat19 said:
3 way trade. We send Domingo Santana to the Giants. We send Isan Diaz to Tampa. Giants send Arroyo, Shaw and Beede to Tampa. And Tampa sends us Archer.

Make this happen Stearns!


Why do you want us to lose 90 games?


Pitching wins championships. We lose Khris Davis and Santana takes his place. We improve big time, yet we have similiar numbers from both outfielders.

What changed the record for the better last year? Improved pitching.......but not enough to make the playoffs.

What do we have a surplus of? OF

The 3 way offer seems to make sense all the way around, but hey I sit in the cheap seats. So what do I know.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 8:32 PM Post
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HighHeat19 said:
3 way trade. We send Domingo Santana to the Giants. We send Isan Diaz to Tampa. Giants send Arroyo, Shaw and Beede to Tampa. And Tampa sends us Archer.

Make this happen Stearns!


Why do you want us to lose 90 games?

Explain. Losing Domingo who's replaceable on the roster, but gaining a fairly young, controllable, affordable, frontline pitcher who walks under 3 per 9, k's over 10 per 9 and FIPs 3.50 makes them a 90 loss team? Not sure the trade works for everyone, but seems pretty solid for the Brewers at least.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 8:55 PM Post
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I'd rather trade them Broxton. There isn't a good fit for Santana.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 8:55 PM Post
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HighHeat19 said:
nate82 said:
HighHeat19 said:
3 way trade. We send Domingo Santana to the Giants. We send Isan Diaz to Tampa. Giants send Arroyo, Shaw and Beede to Tampa. And Tampa sends us Archer.

Make this happen Stearns!


Why do you want us to lose 90 games?


Pitching wins championships. We lose Khris Davis and Santana takes his place. We improve big time, yet we have similiar numbers from both outfielders.

What changed the record for the better last year? Improved pitching.......but not enough to make the playoffs.

What do we have a surplus of? OF

The 3 way offer seems to make sense all the way around, but hey I sit in the cheap seats. So what do I know.

Yeah because Shaw over Hill, Thames over Carter, Santana hitting near his potential, Pina performing very well in place of Lucroy, Sogard bouncing back after being healthy in years and Aguilar being great both improved our bench big time all had nothing to do with it. They *only* improved because of pitching even though half the pen was junk for 4 months.

In 2018, Brinson or Phillips aren't replacing what Santana did so that's a downgrade. Unless you get an insane offer you literally can't say no to then you're not trading Santana. Brewers have 5 starting MLB OF on their roster right now - someone needs to get moved (ideally Broxton).

Pitching doesn't win championships. Excelling in all facets of the game, along with some luck, wins championships.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 9:00 PM Post
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Santana has so much upside, but there's also a decent possibility that he was overperforming last season and his value is at a peak right now. Combined with the fact that our top-level positional prospects are outfielders, and I would at least listen to offers.

I'm not sure San Francisco is a good match though. Their only impact prospect is an outfielder (Heliot Ramos), and that's about it. I certainly hope Joe Panik is not drawing the attention of Stearns. I really don't even know who I would ask for in a fantasy trade (south of a fantasy Bumgarner trade, of course).


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 9:01 PM Post
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Yeah, let's trade our junk like Broxton. Everyone wants to trade junk, and wants great players in return. There is nothing that Broxton will fetch us that will actually be anything better than what we have. You want a great player then you have to give something up that hurts a little.

Everyone has a price.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 9:03 PM Post
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Santana has so much upside, but there's also a decent possibility that he was overperforming last season and his value is at a peak right now. Combined with the fact that our top-level positional prospects are outfielders, and I would at least listen to offers.

I'm not sure San Francisco is a good match though. Their only impact prospect is an outfielder (Heliot Ramos), and that's about it. I certainly hope Joe Panik is not drawing the attention of Stearns. I really don't even know who I would ask for in a fantasy trade (south of a fantasy Bumgarner trade, of course).

I personally think peak Santana is dropping a line of 300/385/950. His production in the minors shows he has crazy offensive upside, especially being insanely young for all levels too.


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 9:07 PM Post
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Yeah, let's trade our junk like Broxton. Everyone wants to trade junk, and wants great players in return. There is nothing that Broxton will fetch us that will actually be anything better than what we have. You want a great player then you have to give something up that hurts a little.

Everyone has a price.

Broxton plays good defense in CF (premium spot), has solid arm and crazy speed. Offensively he was one of 6 MLB OF with 20/20 last year and that was in a down season with 100+ fewer PA then "full time" guys. 2016 he was above average offensively. He's 27 with 5yrs control.

Yeah, sounds like *junk*


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Posted: December 08, 2017, 9:11 PM Post
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SRB said:
Santana has so much upside, but there's also a decent possibility that he was overperforming last season and his value is at a peak right now. Combined with the fact that our top-level positional prospects are outfielders, and I would at least listen to offers.

I'm not sure San Francisco is a good match though. Their only impact prospect is an outfielder (Heliot Ramos), and that's about it. I certainly hope Joe Panik is not drawing the attention of Stearns. I really don't even know who I would ask for in a fantasy trade (south of a fantasy Bumgarner trade, of course).

I personally think peak Santana is dropping a line of 300/385/950. His production in the minors shows he has crazy offensive upside, especially being insanely young for all levels too.


No doubt, and let's not forget he's less than two years older than Phillips and Brinson and already has a season under his belt as the best offensive player on the team.


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