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Posted: December 13, 2017, 12:56 AM Post
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The issue I have with moving Santana for anything other than a TOR pitcher is the fact that without him, our offense will be less than average. Our offense in the 2nd half last season was horrible, Santana was our lone consistent bright spot. Remove him from that line up and replace him with a question mark, and regardless of our pitching, we will be in trouble. We have pitching options in house. Though it will be almost impossible, I'd move Braun since we can't count on him, and I'd move Broxton if we can find someone to bite. Exhaust all possibilities to move those two before considering trading any of the others. Trading our best offensive threat will do more negative damage than most are aware of.


Not if we sign JD Martinez to replace him.


I know this is in blue but Martinez scares me a lot. I think some team is going to back up the truck for him and I think they'll be happy with it for a year or two before his contract becomes a disaster.


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Posted: December 13, 2017, 6:32 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
turborickey said:
The issue I have with moving Santana for anything other than a TOR pitcher is the fact that without him, our offense will be less than average. Our offense in the 2nd half last season was horrible, Santana was our lone consistent bright spot. Remove him from that line up and replace him with a question mark, and regardless of our pitching, we will be in trouble. We have pitching options in house. Though it will be almost impossible, I'd move Braun since we can't count on him, and I'd move Broxton if we can find someone to bite. Exhaust all possibilities to move those two before considering trading any of the others. Trading our best offensive threat will do more negative damage than most are aware of.


Not if we sign JD Martinez to replace him.


I know this is in blue but Martinez scares me a lot. I think some team is going to back up the truck for him and I think they'll be happy with it for a year or two before his contract becomes a disaster.


If he signs for 6 years, he's 35 in the final year. That's the price of poker. Brewers won't be paying Braun in the last two of those six.


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Posted: December 13, 2017, 7:12 AM Post
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JD is gonna be hitting bombs over the Green Monster for the forseeable future, its just a matter of time


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Posted: December 20, 2017, 12:49 PM Post
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JD is gonna be hitting bombs over the Green Monster for the forseeable future, its just a matter of time


Martinez hits most of HR to CF and RF. He's not a great fit in Boston. That doesn't mean they won't sign him, but it'll be at their price. On the other hand, those tend to be the power slots in Miller Park. But there's other alternatives the Brewers could look at if they get a good offer for Santana. The teams looking at Martinez might be the ones to talk to about Santana once Martinez is signed. Padres are another team on prowl for bats if they don't get Hosmer and they have some bullpen pieces in Hand and to a lesser extent Yates that are attractive.

If I'm Stearns, I'd be sniffing around the market for Avisail Garcia. He's supposed to be on the market and if the Brewers take him off it, it might up the demand for Santana.


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 5:32 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/948674845310464000

Be interesting to see if the Brewers would move BOTH Broxton and Santana and free the outfield up for Brinson and Phillips. I have to imagine the Brewers would dive into the FA market for a 4th OF (Carlos Gonzalez, Carlos Gomez) type at that point to protect against Brinson and Phillips falling flat.


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 6:25 PM Post
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I hate the idea of trading away Santana but the following OFers would ease the loss:
1. Jay Bruce
2. John Jay
3. Lorenzo Cain
4. Carlos Gonzalez

I expect Phillips or Brinson to struggle initially. Milwaukee would need a haul for Santana and it would have to include a starting pitcher or someone to shut down the 8th inning and potentially close if Knebel struggles.


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 6:56 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/948674845310464000

Be interesting to see if the Brewers would move BOTH Broxton and Santana and free the outfield up for Brinson and Phillips. I have to imagine the Brewers would dive into the FA market for a 4th OF (Carlos Gonzalez, Carlos Gomez) type at that point to protect against Brinson and Phillips falling flat.


Hmm, apparently they are still actively shopping Santana. I think Cleveland might be the best match as far as with a team that could provide a MLB pitcher. They actually have some sp depth and could potentially use some added power to the lineup with the departure of Carlos Santana.

Broxton still makes too much sense for the Giants.


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 8:01 PM Post
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NievesNoNO said:
Warning Track Power said:
https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/948674845310464000

Be interesting to see if the Brewers would move BOTH Broxton and Santana and free the outfield up for Brinson and Phillips. I have to imagine the Brewers would dive into the FA market for a 4th OF (Carlos Gonzalez, Carlos Gomez) type at that point to protect against Brinson and Phillips falling flat.


Hmm, apparently they are still actively shopping Santana. I think Cleveland might be the best match as far as with a team that could provide a MLB pitcher. They actually have some sp depth and could potentially use some added power to the lineup with the departure of Carlos Santana.

Broxton still makes too much sense for the Giants.


Mike Clevinger please


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 9:13 PM Post
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NievesNoNO said:
Warning Track Power said:
https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/948674845310464000

Be interesting to see if the Brewers would move BOTH Broxton and Santana and free the outfield up for Brinson and Phillips. I have to imagine the Brewers would dive into the FA market for a 4th OF (Carlos Gonzalez, Carlos Gomez) type at that point to protect against Brinson and Phillips falling flat.


Hmm, apparently they are still actively shopping Santana. I think Cleveland might be the best match as far as with a team that could provide a MLB pitcher. They actually have some sp depth and could potentially use some added power to the lineup with the departure of Carlos Santana.

Broxton still makes too much sense for the Giants.

I am not convinced they would be that interested in Domingo Santana, but if the Indians did indeed want him I could see the Brewers front office targeting Francisco Mejia in the return. They have already traded for him once as the primary return piece in the Lucroy trade, and catcher appears to be a position of future need in the organization. The Indians somewhat mysteriously shut Mejia down from playing Dominican winter ball after he participated in just three games and there was speculation they were doing so because he was a part of trade talks, but based on the fact he has been playing year round it is just as plausible they wanted him to get a break. Still a little odd you wouldn’t just prohibit him from playing at all and instead tell him to stop after he had just begun. They also unsuccessfully experimented with him at third base this Fall in Arizona. Mejia is well known for his hit tool and incredibly strong arm. Biggest knock is that he isn’t fleet of foot.


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We need a starting pitcher also if we make that trade


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 9:25 PM Post
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I'd still like to get Robbie Ray from Arizona for Santana.


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 9:31 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
I'd still like to get Robbie Ray from Arizona for Santana.


Arizona has zero desire to make that trade. They went many years with no pitching and all offense (and were terrible), finally got good pitching, and they’re gonna give it away to go back to the olden days? I’m high on Santana but they probably lose in value as well.


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 9:50 PM Post
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brewmann04 said:
We need a starting pitcher also if we make that trade


It would take more than Domingo Santana to get any of Francisco Mejia/ Carson Kelly/ Chance Sisco/ Jorge Alfaro.
Not one of those 4 plus pitching to get DSantana...

Now I could see DSantana & Mejia being part of multi player packages for each side in a trade but neither side believes its a fair deal 1 for 1 or 2 for 1/ 1 for 2.


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Posted: January 03, 2018, 10:19 PM Post
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MadThinker88 said:
brewmann04 said:
We need a starting pitcher also if we make that trade


It would take more than Domingo Santana to get any of Francisco Mejia/ Carson Kelly/ Chance Sisco/ Jorge Alfaro.
Not one of those 4 plus pitching to get DSantana...

Now I could see DSantana & Mejia being part of multi player packages for each side in a trade but neither side believes its a fair deal 1 for 1 or 2 for 1/ 1 for 2.

These possible moves intrigue me. By all accounts, the Giants have been lurking in the shadows Brewers OF trade speculation all winter, and the Brewers definitively have OF depth from which to trade.

However, re: the bolded part above, for as studious & research-based as the speculation often is on BF.net, unless you have an inside connection, I'm not sure one can state definitively what the Brewers or Indians think.


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MadThinker88 said:
brewmann04 said:
We need a starting pitcher also if we make that trade


It would take more than Domingo Santana to get any of Francisco Mejia/ Carson Kelly/ Chance Sisco/ Jorge Alfaro.
Not one of those 4 plus pitching to get DSantana...

Now I could see DSantana & Mejia being part of multi player packages for each side in a trade but neither side believes its a fair deal 1 for 1 or 2 for 1/ 1 for 2.


You are embarrassingly under valuing Santana if you think he's less valuable than all those players. Santana is a great fit for Cleveland, maybe for Salazar plus some lower tier prospects. If we targeted just prospects, Santana could probably get almost any one of those prospects and possibly multiple.


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I hate the idea of trading away Santana but the following OFers would ease the loss:
1. Jay Bruce
2. John Jay
3. Lorenzo Cain
4. Carlos Gonzalez

I expect Phillips or Brinson to struggle initially. Milwaukee would need a haul for Santana and it would have to include a starting pitcher or someone to shut down the 8th inning and potentially close if Knebel struggles.


I think the outfielders that would best ease the loss of Santana are Phillips, Brinson, and Broxton. A Santana trade likely means broxton stays put.


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MadThinker88 said:
brewmann04 said:
We need a starting pitcher also if we make that trade


It would take more than Domingo Santana to get any of Francisco Mejia/ Carson Kelly/ Chance Sisco/ Jorge Alfaro.
Not one of those 4 plus pitching to get DSantana...

Now I could see DSantana & Mejia being part of multi player packages for each side in a trade but neither side believes its a fair deal 1 for 1 or 2 for 1/ 1 for 2.


You are way undervaluing Santana and way overvaluing these prospects if you think that. Mejia is a high value prospect, but he's still just that, a prospect. Santana is a young middle of the order power bat. It would take Mejia+ to get him without a doubt. I mean, when was the last time you saw a large major league piece plus more traded for one prospect. That just doesn't happen.


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Posted: January 04, 2018, 8:40 AM Post
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bill hAll Star said:
JohnBriggs12 said:
I'd still like to get Robbie Ray from Arizona for Santana.


Arizona has zero desire to make that trade. They went many years with no pitching and all offense (and were terrible), finally got good pitching, and they’re gonna give it away to go back to the olden days? I’m high on Santana but they probably lose in value as well.


Arizona has hole in OF left by Martinez and uncertainty over Tomas' health and production. They are actually pretty deep in starting pitching especially if they decided to move Archie Bradley back to the rotation. Brewers have pieces that could sweeten the pot too.


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Posted: January 04, 2018, 9:14 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
bill hAll Star said:
JohnBriggs12 said:
I'd still like to get Robbie Ray from Arizona for Santana.


Arizona has zero desire to make that trade. They went many years with no pitching and all offense (and were terrible), finally got good pitching, and they’re gonna give it away to go back to the olden days? I’m high on Santana but they probably lose in value as well.


Arizona has hole in OF left by Martinez and uncertainty over Tomas' health and production. They are actually pretty deep in starting pitching especially if they decided to move Archie Bradley back to the rotation. Brewers have pieces that could sweeten the pot too.


The D-Backs were having a great season before JD Martinez's inclusion and explosion. Would you trade Chase Anderson for Jonathan Schoop because we have a hole at 2B? That's not even comparable because Ray is more valuable than Anderson.

The D-Backs can go to free agency for a bat if they need one. They're not going to rob Peter to pay Paul.


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Posted: January 04, 2018, 9:34 AM Post
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Mejia/McKenzie for Santana/Ponce? I would want McKenzie involved in any deal for Santana.


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