J.T. Realmuto

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Joey Meyer Bombs

Re: J.T. Realmuto

#701

Posted: November 15, 2018, 1:44 PM

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Mr Southpaw said:

Who said Houston would give that much? It is just a way to drive up the cost. If Houston wants to give up that much, let them.

At the end of the day, no one really know what packages are being offered, and how the Marlins value each of them. Judging by who the Marlins chose in the Yelich deal, though, I would imagine that they are going to focus more on tools and upside than prospects that are MLB ready. But just because a team offers a theoretical package of multiple guys on some arbitrary Top 100 list doesn't mean that the Marlins don't put a higher value on a different package.

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adambr2

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 15, 2018, 7:17 PM

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turborickey said:

mattyo said:

Vollbc74 said:

ESPN has a package of Yordan Alvarez, JB Bukaukas, Framber Valdez from Houston for Realmuto

A similar package from us would be Huira, Brown, & Diplan. If you didn’t wants to give up Huira, then you’re looking at Ray, Peralta, Diplan.

I highly doubt we could get Realmuto for Ray, Perlata and Diplan. I'm sure we'd already have him if we could.

Seriously? I don't think they could accept that offer fast enough.

I hope we do not make that kind of an offer.

I would be pretty disappointed.

Add Realmuto to the lineup and it doesn't cost Hiura or Burnes? Agreed with Matt, I'd jump all over that and don't think it's nearly enough.

What would you be ok with giving up if you're not ok with that?? If you are not okay with making that kind of an offer I don't think there is any reasonable offer that we could make for Realmuto that would even keep them on the phone.

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Mr Southpaw

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 16, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Joey Meyer Bombs said:

Mr Southpaw said:

Who said Houston would give that much? It is just a way to drive up the cost. If Houston wants to give up that much, let them.

At the end of the day, no one really know what packages are being offered, and how the Marlins value each of them. Judging by who the Marlins chose in the Yelich deal, though, I would imagine that they are going to focus more on tools and upside than prospects that are MLB ready. But just because a team offers a theoretical package of multiple guys on some arbitrary Top 100 list doesn't mean that the Marlins don't put a higher value on a different package.

I guess my point was teams don't offer theoretical packages, they offer packages. I trust that DS will not go overboard in trading away the farm.

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turborickey

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 8:25 AM

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MLB.com's Jon Morosi reports that the Marlins are insisting that Kyle Tucker or Forrest Whitley be part of any trade package they get from the Astros for J.T. Realmuto.

Tucker and Whitley are both considered top-10 prospects in all of baseball, but it's no surprise that the Marlins would insist on netting one of them for Realmuto. The 27-year-old is coming off a season in which he sported a .277/.340/.484 batting line with 21 home runs and 74 RBI. He's under team control for two more seasons.

Source: MLB.comNov 16 - 8:50 AM

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KeithStone53151

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 8:59 AM

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turborickey said:

They can insist on whatever nonsense they want. We all saw how that worked out with the Nationals and Braves. I'd bet the Marlins hold Realmuto, then for either injury or performance reasons...his value drops significantly by the deadline.

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JosephC

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 9:15 AM

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It will be interesting to see if a deal with Houston could be worked out. A reasonable headliner would be Yordan Alvarez. Unfortunately for both sides, Alvarez looks like a future DH and that wouldn't work for the Marlins. The Astros probably consider Tucker and Whitley as untouchables and I don't think they would move either for a 2 year commitment. Then, according to the MLB Pipeline, the next guy on the list is a back 100 pitcher who doesn't seem to grade any higher than Freddy Peralta. Hard to see him being a headliner in Realmuto trade.

If the Astros don't give up Tucker or Whitley and the Marlins don't like Alvarez, then it's hard to see a deal between the two sides getting completed. Like if the Brewers could swing a deal without Hiura, the prospect return would likely be pretty overwhelming in terms of quantity. Would be the same for the Astros in a non-Tucker/Whitley/Alvarez deal. Maybe something like RHP-Josh James, RHP-J.B. Bukauskas, SS-Freudis Nova, LHP-Cionel Perez and C-Garrett Stubbs.

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reillymcshane

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Marlins are reportedly putting an even higher price on Realmuto than they did last winter since he had an even better year in 2018 than 2017. Plus he's cemented himself as one of the premier players at the catcher position by having another really good season.

No matter what people offer for Realmuto, the Marlins will have a lot of suitors. They should get a very nice package of players back.

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reillymcshane

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 9:39 AM

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Joey Meyer Bombs said:

Mr Southpaw said:

Who said Houston would give that much? It is just a way to drive up the cost. If Houston wants to give up that much, let them.

I think this is very true in the fact that the Marlins will assess each package based upon their own criteria. For their own reasons, they are going to value specific players differently than other teams.

In 2017, the White Sox were supposedly not enamored with Lewis Brinson - thus making him a less attractive trade chip in our quest to get Quintana.

When the Crew got Greinke back in 2010, the Royals were looking for some very specific types of players. They wanted major league ready players at SS, CF and pitcher. Milwaukee was able to measure up well with them (Escobar at SS, Cain in CF, Jeffress at P - plus Odorizzi). Many people thought the Royals missed out at the time - feeling they didn't get any great players in exchange for an established great pitcher. It was more of a quantity for quality trade - but it worked well for KC, so they won't argue.

I will say that, generally, when you have a premium talent - like Realmuto - a team will try and get a premium prospect(s) back. In this league, it's difficult to acquire young talent that you believe has all-star potential. It usually takes quality to get quality.

But whatever works, if the team wants Realmuto, they should make their pitch and see if it works. If not, move on.

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sveumrules

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 11:10 AM

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There are going to be two possible ways to acquire Realmuto. One, be the first to blink & offer up the blue chip headliner the Marlins covet.

Or, B. Wait them & the rest of the catching market out. With the Rays trading for Zunino & now the Nats signing Suzuki, couples are starting to pair up & go home. Grandal & Ramos will knock two more suitors off the list eventually.

If we wait long enough it might just be us & the Marlins left at the dance & maybe then they'll lower their standards instead of going home alone.

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TheJumpAround

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 11:39 AM

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NievesNoNO

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 11:44 AM

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TheJumpAround said:

Never really understood that concept. Why limit yourself when you're not going to be good. I guess I'd sort of understand if they were planning on being competitive but not in the state they're in. Good for the rest of the teams wanting to acquire him I guess

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TheJumpAround

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 11:47 AM

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Agreed. This just makes sveumrules scenario B more plausible.

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Joey Meyer Bombs

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 12:59 PM

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Watching these catcher chips fall is a very good thing for the Brewers if they are truly interested in Realmuto. Even though they may say they are not trading him in their own division, I'm not going to believe the Braves are out until they grab a guy like Ramos.

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KeithStone53151

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 1:30 PM

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The more I think about this, this could actually be a bit of a clever play by the Marlins. On it's face, it seems stupid to limit the market in such a manner. But if NL East teams start exploring other options and making serious offers for FA like Grandal and Ramos, the Dodgers/Astros will have to either accelerate talks with the Marlins or quickly get involved on these FA. There are certainly more suitors for Realmuto outside the NL East than just the Dodgers/Astros, so I don't think this overly limits their market.

My money is on the Dodgers and Verdugo being part of the return. I know that is extremely contradictory to all my statements on the type of talent the Marlins could get. Verdugo isn't quite the prospect that Robles, Soto, Acuna, and Hiura are, but he's still a better prospect than I anticipated they would get. I just think the Dodgers are going to get a bit desperate and try to really put themselves over the hump before their roster ages too much and they have to rebuild. Pretty much every impact player on that team besides Bellinger and Buehler will be a FA after 3 more seasons. Many including Turner, Kemp, Puig, Hernandez, Wood, and Pederson will be gone in the next 2 seasons. Add in the comments about the Dodgers planning to stay under the luxury tax for the next 4 seasons, Realmuto fits so perfectly in that window. And the Marlins I feel like could have interest in an OBP driven corner outfielder to pair with the boom/bust guys they got from us...plus I anticipate Verdugo being a step ahead of all other offers they've received.

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sveumrules

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 2:14 PM

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Agree that Dodgers seem like the best fit. Verdugo with one of their catcher prospects (Smith/Ruiz) plus another back end top 10 organizational guy of the Marlins liking probably beats anything we can offer that doesn't include Hiura or Burnes.

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KeithStone53151

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 2:26 PM

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sveumrules said:

That's a lot, Marlins might have to send something back in that case. Both those catchers rate higher than Nottingham as of now. Not a great prospect, just something. An upper levels bullpen arm, an 18-20 year old guy outside the top 30 but with some tools...something. Seems to be workable though.

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reillymcshane

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 3:39 PM

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NievesNoNO said:

TheJumpAround said:

I can understand it if you think you'll be competing against these teams in the next couple of years. But there's little chance that the Marlins are in the playoff race the next two years, so who cares if a former player is beating you.

In fact, trading him within your division weakens a division rival down the road - since the guys you acquire won't be helping that team - and Realmuto (or whomever) has moved on as a free agent in two years.

Sure there's a chance Realmuto signs an extension and he haunts you further down the road - but those are the risks you take. It's just as likely that he leaves as a free agent in two years.

Oh well. Shortsighted in my opinion.

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anglotiger

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 19, 2018, 9:55 PM

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reillymcshane said:

Marlins are reportedly putting an even higher price on Realmuto than they did last winter since he had an even better year in 2018 than 2017.

How much is this influenced by the Yelich trade? Yelich is the MVP and, while it's too early to judge, they have to be a bit underwhelmed/embarrassed by the return so far. They may feel that they undervalued their commodity and want to be sure that they don't make the same "mistake" again - that they "win" this trade. The problem with that thinking is that you're an injury away from getting nothing - not to mention that each passing season (or even half-season) sees the potential return drop in value.

"Don't force him to choose between Chris Smalling and Phil Jones. It's like asking someone to choose between which STD to contract!"

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Joey Meyer Bombs

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 26, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Just saw that Brian McCann signed with the Braves. I imagine that takes them out of the running for Realmuto, as they are speculating that McCann and Flowers will form a committee. Of course, it likely opens up the Astros as a possible Realmuto destination.

Still, with the Nationals and Braves filling their catching holes, that eliminates the two likeliest contenders for Realmuto.

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packer822

Re: J.T. Realmuto

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Posted: November 26, 2018, 2:04 PM

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I would guess it would be us....the dodgers and the astros

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