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Posted: January 05, 2018, 11:25 AM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/01/05/report-cubs-original-offer-to-alex-cobb-was-three-years-and-42-million/

According to this, the Cubs offer for Cobb was 3 years $42 million. If this is what it would take now, while not loving it, I think I would be comfortable with the Brewers offering this. I wouldn't be happy or sad either way if he accepted or rejected it.


If this is accurate, I could see getting involved at that price/years arena. That's roughly a similar offer to what they made to Chatwood though, and I think it's safe to say from a production/talent standpoint that Cobb > Chatwood. I have to believe Cobb is getting 4 year offers of at least $12-15 million per at his age/talent level though.


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Posted: January 05, 2018, 1:02 PM Post
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i'd offer 3/49.9

No pick


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Posted: January 05, 2018, 10:37 PM Post
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mlloyd10 said:
i'd offer 3/49.9

No pick


I'd do that an offer a vesting option based on inngs pitched. Something like 18 Million if he meets 400 inngs. If not reached becomes team option with buyout.


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Posted: January 06, 2018, 8:06 AM Post
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Heyman is saying Cobb wants 4 years and a guaranteed $70 million. That's still an overpay but not far off from what it will take. I think Brewers should jump on 4 years $60 million myself. They could pay $14 million per year for 4 seasons with an option for a 5th or a $4 million buyout without stretching payroll so much that they couldn't still add a Walker or even Cain if they wanted to be bold and deal for another starter.


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Posted: January 06, 2018, 9:23 AM Post
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Cobb is halfway to getting signed now that he's down from 5 years to 4. Now he just has to drop that annual value down from 17.5 million to 14.5 million and teams will be ready to move.


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Posted: January 06, 2018, 9:53 AM Post
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2018 $16.0 million
2019 $14.5 million
2020 $13.0 million
2021 $13.0 million with $2.5 million team buyout option

4 year $56.5 million or 3 year $46.0 million

Anymore and I think I would pass.


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Posted: January 06, 2018, 11:12 AM Post
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Signing Alex Cobb would give the Brewers a 4th starting pitcher that finished in the top 20 in ground ball percentage among qualified starting pitchers (162+ IP) last season.

#9 Jimmy Nelson (50.3 GB%)
#10 Zach Davies (50.2 GB%)
#14 Jhoulys Chacin (49.1 GB%)
#19 Alex Cobb (47.8 GB%)

In Cobb’s 2014 season he tied with Felix Hernandez for the third highest ground ball rate among qualified starting pitchers at 56.2%.

With added emphasis on launch angle and hitters focused on elevating the ball, as well as speculation of the ball composition effecting it’s travel distance, it seems possible the Brewers are focused on finding ground ball inducing starting pitchers.

We also know they were in mid-season trade discussions surrounding Sonny Gray, a pitcher that has finished well north of a 50% ground ball rate every year of his major league career, and finished 5th overall last season with a 52.8 GB%.

BTW, last year’s leader in GB% among qualified starting pitchers was Marcus Stroman (62.1 GB%) whom I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Brewers target via trade at some point if the stars align.


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Posted: January 06, 2018, 11:29 AM Post
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Eye Black at Night said:
Signing Alex Cobb would give the Brewers a 4th starting pitcher that finished in the top 20 in ground ball percentage among qualified starting pitchers (162+ IP) last season.

#9 Jimmy Nelson (50.3 GB%)
#10 Zach Davies (50.2 GB%)
#14 Jhoulys Chacin (49.1 GB%)
#19 Alex Cobb (47.8 GB%)

In Cobb’s 2014 season he tied with Felix Hernandez for the third highest ground ball rate among qualified starting pitchers at 56.2%.

With added emphasis on launch angle and hitters focused on elevating the ball, as well as speculation of the ball composition effecting it’s travel distance, it seems possible the Brewers are focused on finding ground ball inducing starting pitchers.

We also know they were in mid-season trade discussions surrounding Sonny Gray, a pitcher that has finished well north of a 50% ground ball rate every year of his major league career, and finished 5th overall last season with a 52.8 GB%.

BTW, last year’s leader in GB% among qualified starting pitchers was Marcus Stroman (62.1 GB%) whom I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Brewers target via trade at some point if the stars align.

Good catch, Eye Black. I hadn't noticed this.

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Posted: January 06, 2018, 11:35 AM Post
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TooLiveBrew said:
Eye Black at Night said:
Signing Alex Cobb would give the Brewers a 4th starting pitcher that finished in the top 20 in ground ball percentage among qualified starting pitchers (162+ IP) last season.

#9 Jimmy Nelson (50.3 GB%)
#10 Zach Davies (50.2 GB%)
#14 Jhoulys Chacin (49.1 GB%)
#19 Alex Cobb (47.8 GB%)

In Cobb’s 2014 season he tied with Felix Hernandez for the third highest ground ball rate among qualified starting pitchers at 56.2%.

With added emphasis on launch angle and hitters focused on elevating the ball, as well as speculation of the ball composition effecting it’s travel distance, it seems possible the Brewers are focused on finding ground ball inducing starting pitchers.

We also know they were in mid-season trade discussions surrounding Sonny Gray, a pitcher that has finished well north of a 50% ground ball rate every year of his major league career, and finished 5th overall last season with a 52.8 GB%.

BTW, last year’s leader in GB% among qualified starting pitchers was Marcus Stroman (62.1 GB%) whom I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Brewers target via trade at some point if the stars align.

Good catch, Eye Black. I hadn't noticed this.


Add to your point, Jeffress and Logan are heavy groundball pitchers as well on the relief side that were either brought in or extended. I still don't like the move for Cobb unless it gets close to the $40-50 million range, but there's definitely a ton of value in finding pitchers that keep hitters from elevating the ball.


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Posted: January 06, 2018, 12:01 PM Post
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Mr Southpaw said:
2018 $16.0 million
2019 $14.5 million
2020 $13.0 million
2021 $13.0 million with $2.5 million team buyout option

4 year $56.5 million or 3 year $46.0 million

Anymore and I think I would pass.


I would love to add Cobb at that price.

Anderson
Cobb
Davies
Chacin
Woodruff

Then add someone like Oh or Hernandez as another set up.

Knebel
Hader
Oh/Hernandez
Logan
Barnes
Jeffress
Gallardo

I would love this staff!


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Posted: January 06, 2018, 4:19 PM Post
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Subtract Gallardo or Jeffers and add Taylor Williams.


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