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Offline  Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 11:30 AM Post
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I would be quite surprised if Neil Walker were to get the 3-4 year deal he was supposedly looking for at the outset of the offseason. With Villar and Sogard on the roster still and Perez able to fill in, 2B in some people's eyes may no longer be a priority. However, I am not one of those people who believe that. While I would love to believe that Villar will bounce back and be at worst an average between the 2016 and 2017 version (.267/.339/.762, 15 HR, 42 SB), I want protection against that. Sogard and Perez do not represent that protection as them playing everyday would likely represent a replacement level player. Walker represents the perfect bridge to Isan Diaz or Keston Hiura on a two year deal. If Walker were available at 2 years $22 million, I think it represents a win-win for the Brewers and Walker:

1. As a bridge to their prospects;
2. As a potential trade piece at the deadline should they fall out of the playoff race;
3. As a starter that would make Villar available in a deal; and
4. As a last big-ish contract for Walker.

I hope the Brewers and Walker can find common ground on a reunion.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 11:40 AM Post
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It depends on if Stearns believes this team is a contender right now. If he doesn't, I think they roll with Villar and hope that he smooths out his kinks. If he does, though, I assume there is mutual interest in a reunion, but likely not at four years Walker's agent is looking for. I think if Walker would settle for two seasons, the Brewers would be all over that. Walker is exactly the high contact, low strike-out type of hitter that the team needs in the line-up. He slots in perfectly as a #2 hitter.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 11:53 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
It depends on if Stearns believes this team is a contender right now. If he doesn't, I think they roll with Villar and hope that he smooths out his kinks. If he does, though, I assume there is mutual interest in a reunion, but likely not at four years Walker's agent is looking for. I think if Walker would settle for two seasons, the Brewers would be all over that. Walker is exactly the high contact, low strike-out type of hitter that the team needs in the line-up. He slots in perfectly as a #2 hitter.


Very true. So far the moves we have made suggest DS doesn't think much of our team's ability to challenge the Cubs in 2018.

However there are still quite a few very starters out there so that could change. I'd think if we sign Lynn or Cobb we will also immediately add Walker.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 11:54 AM Post
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One thing to keep in mind with Walker. We don't have unlimited 25 man space. 2 catchers, 4 OF, Thames, Shaw, Arcia, Sogard, Villar are all locks for the roster(barring an unlikely villar trade). That leaves one spot for Perez and Aguilar to battle for, so we are already going to lose one of them. Bringing in Walker pretty much forces us to trade Villar or cut/trade Sogard. Unless we manage to make do with a 7 man bullpen, we are going to have a significant positional player crunch this year.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 12:31 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
One thing to keep in mind with Walker. We don't have unlimited 25 man space. 2 catchers, 4 OF, Thames, Shaw, Arcia, Sogard, Villar are all locks for the roster(barring an unlikely villar trade). That leaves one spot for Perez and Aguilar to battle for, so we are already going to lose one of them. Bringing in Walker pretty much forces us to trade Villar or cut/trade Sogard. Unless we manage to make do with a 7 man bullpen, we are going to have a significant positional player crunch this year.

If Walker signs a 2 year $22 million deal as I suggested, I have zero issue with dealing Villar as a piece in a deal for a SP or cutting Sogard or Perez as I view them as 25th man type guys.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 1:14 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
KeithStone53151 said:
One thing to keep in mind with Walker. We don't have unlimited 25 man space. 2 catchers, 4 OF, Thames, Shaw, Arcia, Sogard, Villar are all locks for the roster(barring an unlikely villar trade). That leaves one spot for Perez and Aguilar to battle for, so we are already going to lose one of them. Bringing in Walker pretty much forces us to trade Villar or cut/trade Sogard. Unless we manage to make do with a 7 man bullpen, we are going to have a significant positional player crunch this year.

If Walker signs a 2 year $22 million deal as I suggested, I have zero issue with dealing Villar as a piece in a deal for a SP or cutting Sogard or Perez as I view them as 25th man type guys.


Cutting Sogard or Perez significantly impacts our flexibility, which is critical when carrying 12 position players and 2 guys that are 1b only(aguilar can play 3b in an emergency, Thames is like Matt Holliday in LF).

Signing Walker probably means trading Villar and also probably means we have to keep Perez over Aguilar. If we didn't make the move, Perez could be the one to go and Villar could be the emergency 3rd CF option. If Villar goes, I think it's important to keep Perez for that job...which weakens our bench not having Aguilar. And trading Villar now probably would be throwing away significant value. He's almost certainly something between the 2016 and 2017 versions. Even being roughly at the midpoint is a valuable player.

It's a tough call really. Walker is more stable/certain, and his hitting style complements our roster better. Villar has the better upside, and is much cheaper, and keeping him likely means we can also keep aguilar.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 2:03 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
Warning Track Power said:
KeithStone53151 said:
One thing to keep in mind with Walker. We don't have unlimited 25 man space. 2 catchers, 4 OF, Thames, Shaw, Arcia, Sogard, Villar are all locks for the roster(barring an unlikely villar trade). That leaves one spot for Perez and Aguilar to battle for, so we are already going to lose one of them. Bringing in Walker pretty much forces us to trade Villar or cut/trade Sogard. Unless we manage to make do with a 7 man bullpen, we are going to have a significant positional player crunch this year.

If Walker signs a 2 year $22 million deal as I suggested, I have zero issue with dealing Villar as a piece in a deal for a SP or cutting Sogard or Perez as I view them as 25th man type guys.


Cutting Sogard or Perez significantly impacts our flexibility, which is critical when carrying 12 position players and 2 guys that are 1b only(aguilar can play 3b in an emergency, Thames is like Matt Holliday in LF).

Signing Walker probably means trading Villar and also probably means we have to keep Perez over Aguilar. If we didn't make the move, Perez could be the one to go and Villar could be the emergency 3rd CF option. If Villar goes, I think it's important to keep Perez for that job...which weakens our bench not having Aguilar. And trading Villar now probably would be throwing away significant value. He's almost certainly something between the 2016 and 2017 versions. Even being roughly at the midpoint is a valuable player.

It's a tough call really. Walker is more stable/certain, and his hitting style complements our roster better. Villar has the better upside, and is much cheaper, and keeping him likely means we can also keep aguilar.

If the Brewers sign Walker, the 5 man bench could be:

C: Vogt
IF: Sogard OR Villar
OF: Brinson OR Broxton (Assuming Phillips starts)
UTIL: Perez
1B/PH: Aguilar

I guess I don't understand why flexibility is sacrificed if Walker is signed when Brinson/Broxton/Perez can cover the OF, Sogard/Villar/Perez can cover 3B/2B/SS and Aguilar/Walker can cover 1B.

What am I missing Keith Stone?


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 2:18 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
If the Brewers sign Walker, the 5 man bench could be:

C: Vogt
IF: Sogard OR Villar
OF: Brinson OR Broxton (Assuming Phillips starts)
UTIL: Perez
1B/PH: Aguilar

I guess I don't understand why flexibility is sacrificed if Walker is signed when Brinson/Broxton/Perez can cover the OF, Sogard/Villar/Perez can cover 3B/2B/SS and Aguilar/Walker can cover 1B.

What am I missing Keith Stone?


You are missing that the Brewers have carried a 4 man bench the past couple years. It might be easier to go with a 5 man bench and 7 man bullpen if we add a solid starter to the rotation, but if we don't and roll with one of Suter/Wilkerson/Hader...then we had better have 8 in that bullpen. It gets a bit more tricky with a 4 man bench, and would basically force us to trade an additional established player while we already are going to have to trade a minimum of 2.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 2:42 PM Post
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Sogard was re-signed to a MLB contract, so he's not getting cut. We need a backup catcher (Vogt), and we will have a real OF as our 4th OF this season whether that be Phillips, Brinson, or Broxton. If we sign Walker and choose to go with a 4-man bench, that will leave one spot open for Villar, Perez, or Aguilar.

Even if we don't sign Walker, at least one of Villar, Perez, or Aguilar would not be on the Brewers' opening day roster if we go with a 4-man bench.

I've always liked the idea of Walker on a 2-year deal. I've just never liked adding the third year. I'll take an All Star talent at 2nd base regardless of it's effect on the bench, as we are a much better team with Walker than without him.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 3:11 PM Post
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monty57 said:
I've always liked the idea of Walker on a 2-year deal. I've just never liked adding the third year. I'll take an All Star talent at 2nd base regardless of it's effect on the bench, as we are a much better team with Walker than without him.

This pretty much sums up my feeling on the situation. I could care less about what happens to Villar, Sogard or Perez if it means bringing Walker back into the fold. A position of question becomes a position of strength with Walker on the roster.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 3:20 PM Post
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VIllar started one game at 2b in September and that was the lone meaningless finale. Perez started 7 and Sogard started 6. Walker or no Walker nothing has happened since the season ended for Villar to jump ahead not one but two spots on the depth chart.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 4:05 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
Warning Track Power said:
KeithStone53151 said:
One thing to keep in mind with Walker. We don't have unlimited 25 man space. 2 catchers, 4 OF, Thames, Shaw, Arcia, Sogard, Villar are all locks for the roster(barring an unlikely villar trade). That leaves one spot for Perez and Aguilar to battle for, so we are already going to lose one of them. Bringing in Walker pretty much forces us to trade Villar or cut/trade Sogard. Unless we manage to make do with a 7 man bullpen, we are going to have a significant positional player crunch this year.

If Walker signs a 2 year $22 million deal as I suggested, I have zero issue with dealing Villar as a piece in a deal for a SP or cutting Sogard or Perez as I view them as 25th man type guys.


Cutting Sogard or Perez significantly impacts our flexibility, which is critical when carrying 12 position players and 2 guys that are 1b only(aguilar can play 3b in an emergency, Thames is like Matt Holliday in LF).

Signing Walker probably means trading Villar and also probably means we have to keep Perez over Aguilar. If we didn't make the move, Perez could be the one to go and Villar could be the emergency 3rd CF option. If Villar goes, I think it's important to keep Perez for that job...which weakens our bench not having Aguilar. And trading Villar now probably would be throwing away significant value. He's almost certainly something between the 2016 and 2017 versions. Even being roughly at the midpoint is a valuable player.

It's a tough call really. Walker is more stable/certain, and his hitting style complements our roster better. Villar has the better upside, and is much cheaper, and keeping him likely means we can also keep aguilar.


This is why it would just make so much sense, along with the OF logjam, to have Braun at 1B vs LHP


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 4:16 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
VIllar started one game at 2b in September and that was the lone meaningless finale. Perez started 7 and Sogard started 6. Walker or no Walker nothing has happened since the season ended for Villar to jump ahead not one but two spots on the depth chart.


If we don't bring in Walker, I think it's fair to at minimum give Villar a chance in open competition in ST to win the 2b job. Him/Sogard/Perez(if he's on the roster).

And I agree with the poster on Braun, having him play some 1b would be beneficial for many reasons. Heck Aguilar probably has some trade value and might net us a Jason Rogers type return depending how the market shakes out if we moved him.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 4:35 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
JohnBriggs12 said:
VIllar started one game at 2b in September and that was the lone meaningless finale. Perez started 7 and Sogard started 6. Walker or no Walker nothing has happened since the season ended for Villar to jump ahead not one but two spots on the depth chart.


If we don't bring in Walker, I think it's fair to at minimum give Villar a chance in open competition in ST to win the 2b job. Him/Sogard/Perez(if he's on the roster).

And I agree with the poster on Braun, having him play some 1b would be beneficial for many reasons. Heck Aguilar probably has some trade value and might net us a Jason Rogers type return depending how the market shakes out if we moved him.


Yep, if nothing happens, it will be an open competition between Villar and Sogard for the job. I'd prefer that Villar wins it if that is the case, as Sogard profiles much better as super sub than Villar would.

Briggs, you have to face that, barring a big acquisition, Villar will be given every opportunity to right the ship as the starter at 2B.


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Posted: January 09, 2018, 5:20 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
VIllar started one game at 2b in September and that was the lone meaningless finale. Perez started 7 and Sogard started 6. Walker or no Walker nothing has happened since the season ended for Villar to jump ahead not one but two spots on the depth chart.

In the heat of a playoff race, Villar and his lost season had no place starting when you had the offense of Walker and the defense of Sogard/Perez.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 8:27 PM Post
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Villar is really the only legit backup at SS too. And yes, I know Sogard played there some last season.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 09, 2018, 11:11 PM Post
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Perez is also a legit backup at SS, though not as strong of an option as Villar.

I'd still far prefer a 5-man bench than a 4-man bench. I think a 4-man bench leaves way too little defensive & PH flexibility, especially if someone's out for a couple consecutive days.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 10, 2018, 8:15 AM Post
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I like Walker but is he really worth that much more than Villar/Sogard?? The more I think about it the more I would pass on Walker, unless you're spending $22 million (give or take) to just spend it.


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Offline  Re: Neil Walker
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Posted: January 10, 2018, 8:24 AM Post
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KCBrewerfan34 said:
I like Walker but is he really worth that much more than Villar/Sogard?? The more I think about it the more I would pass on Walker, unless you're spending $22 million (give or take) to just spend it.


Yes because unlike those 2, Walker is consistently decent at baseball


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Posted: January 10, 2018, 8:31 AM Post
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KCBrewerfan34 said:
I like Walker but is he really worth that much more than Villar/Sogard?? The more I think about it the more I would pass on Walker, unless you're spending $22 million (give or take) to just spend it.


Really depends on if you think Villar is salvageable. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think Villar has the talent to play closer to his 2016 level than what he did last year.

Walker is a good, solid player who would make a great role player on a playoff contender. If Stearns feels that the team is a playoff contender, signing Walker wouldn't surprise me at all. But letting things ride with Villar wouldn't surprise me either, especially if he feels the team is still in the midst of a rebuild. Also, with Diaz, Dubon and Huera on the horizon at 2B, it would be nice to see Villar rebuild his trade value.


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