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Posted: June 03, 2018, 12:13 AM Post
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SP James Shields + $6-7M (Whatever is left on his deal this season) for Brewers 16th prospect RHP Caden Lemons.

Shields has a higher fWAR than any current Brewers starter. 6 of last 7 starts are quality. 8 straight starts of 6 IP+, all of last 4 starts were 7 IP+. Team leader and great clubhouse guy, has been credited by many young Sox prospects for helping them with pitches and grips and mentoring.


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 12:38 AM Post
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I don't trust Shields to continue getting the results he's getting at all. Not interested.

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Posted: June 03, 2018, 5:16 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
I don't trust Shields to continue getting the results he's getting at all. Not interested.


If you add his last 5 starts of 2017 to his first dozen this season, he's been quite decent, and he goes deep in games. That's not an insignificant amount of time. Clearly the White Sox are showcasing him. I think there's likely better options out there, but for a guy who wouldn't cost much in terms of talent back, I wouldn't dismiss him all that easily.


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 5:42 AM Post
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James Shields prior to yesterdays game, I had zero interest. After watching him pitch, I thought his stuff was nasty. Would I give high prospects for him, NO...Would I consider him for a couple a candidate for a trade in the middle of summer...Sure (At the right price, and not give away the farm)


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 7:45 AM Post
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Shields likes to pitch deeper into games. He may not want to come to Milwaukee knowing our new philosophy.

But he was very impressive yesterday.


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 9:08 AM Post
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Any deal DS makes, he needs to be right. Shields not worth the risk.


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 10:58 AM Post
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I'd be thrilled to get Shields if the return isn't significant in trading for him. It'll all come down to asking price. He's not a guy you count on to be a TOR arm in a pennant race, but as starting pitching depth and an upgrade to the bottom of the rotation? Absolutely

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Posted: June 03, 2018, 11:02 AM Post
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No thank you


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 11:33 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Shields likes to pitch deeper into games. He may not want to come to Milwaukee knowing our new philosophy.

But he was very impressive yesterday.


Not that impressive.... played with fire early and gave up multiple long balls.


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 11:54 AM Post
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I would pass on him.


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 3:01 PM Post
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I'm specifically talking about Shields + 100% salary for Lemons. Would Brewers fans find that fair value?


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Posted: June 03, 2018, 4:22 PM Post
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Please god no.


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 8:59 AM Post
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I would not give anything of value for him. Hard pass.


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 9:08 AM Post
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Stearns loves his organizational depth, and Shields wouldn't cost a major prospect at this point - if he continues to pitch well, I'm sure the Brewers will look into it.

I expect the Brewers to check on a bunch of pitchers, and a bunch of whatever else they think the roster needs - why wouldn't they?


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 9:51 AM Post
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Stearns loves his organizational depth, and Shields wouldn't cost a major prospect at this point - if he continues to pitch well, I'm sure the Brewers will look into it.

I expect the Brewers to check on a bunch of pitchers, and a bunch of whatever else they think the roster needs - why wouldn't they?


Because he's been quite bad since 2015 and would cost us millions.


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 10:06 AM Post
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Shields is a shell of his former self - and at 36, he's probably not going to get better. His 2018 has been okay, but his HR rate is really low (for him). This is a guy who has given up 33, 40 and 27 HRs over the past three years (last season's 27 HRs surrender was done is just 117 innings). He's been better this year, but I just wouldn't trust him going forward - especially in Miller Park.

Perhaps the guy has fixed something in his delivery or whatever - but 1/3 of a mediocre season isn't enough to wipe away his last few years.

If you want some starting pitching depth he might work, but I wouldn't give up anything for him - and I certainly wouldn't take him without the Sox covering a boatload of his salary. He's the kind of guy you might pick up at the trade deadline for nothing if you have some back of the rotation concerns. But nothing more.


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 12:27 PM Post
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Sure, check on him. And then pass. I have no problem with that.

I seriously doubt he would be better going forward than what we already have available.


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 8:30 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Shields likes to pitch deeper into games. He may not want to come to Milwaukee knowing our new philosophy.

But he was very impressive yesterday.



Philosophy? I think it's more that our starters can't make it deep into games, not that we don't want them to. Who wouldn't want a guy cruising through 7 innings per start, 1 inning of Hader, 1 Knebel?


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 8:47 PM Post
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I would hope we can do better at the deadline


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 9:02 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Shields likes to pitch deeper into games. He may not want to come to Milwaukee knowing our new philosophy.

But he was very impressive yesterday.



Philosophy? I think it's more that our starters can't make it deep into games, not that we don't want them to. Who wouldn't want a guy cruising through 7 innings per start, 1 inning of Hader, 1 Knebel?


If you don’t think it’s part of their new philosophy, you haven’t been watching much. There have been plenty of opportunities to have our starter go farther in games and we don’t do it. Like Counsell has even said, they go into the game with an idea of how many outs they want to get out of a pitcher. We have seen our games get through 6ip and be at 80 pitches and still come out.


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