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Posted: June 07, 2018, 12:36 PM Post
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https://nypost.com/2018/06/07/what-mets-and-yankees-would-have-to-swallow-for-syndergaard-or-degrom-deal/

I would empty the system for Syndergaard. Under contract for 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021. I would feel very confident in the playoffs with Syndergaard as our Game 1 starter.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 12:42 PM Post

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Id back up the truck for either one of them, to be honest. Huira, Burnes and Ray?


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 12:43 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
https://nypost.com/2018/06/07/what-mets-and-yankees-would-have-to-swallow-for-syndergaard-or-degrom-deal/

I would empty the system for Syndergaard. Under contract for 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021. I would feel very confident in the playoffs with Syndergaard as our Game 1 starter.


I'd give Hiura and Burnes/Peralta (or both). They'd probably ask for Hader, though.

But yeah, they are going to ask for the moon, and would likely get it. Cost would be enormous, but getting a guy like Syndergaard would make the team the immediate favorite in the NL.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 12:46 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Warning Track Power said:
https://nypost.com/2018/06/07/what-mets-and-yankees-would-have-to-swallow-for-syndergaard-or-degrom-deal/

I would empty the system for Syndergaard. Under contract for 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021. I would feel very confident in the playoffs with Syndergaard as our Game 1 starter.


I'd give Hiura and Burnes/Peralta (or both). They'd probably ask for Hader, though.

But yeah, they are going to ask for the moon, and would likely get it. Cost would be enormous, but getting a guy like Syndergaard would make the team the immediate favorite in the NL.

Now that would cause me some pause. However, if they are truly rebuilding, I doubt they want a reliever on the MLB roster. I would assume it would be Hiura, Burnes, Peralta and our second best hitting prospect in their eyes.

I would do it without hesitating.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 12:54 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Warning Track Power said:
https://nypost.com/2018/06/07/what-mets-and-yankees-would-have-to-swallow-for-syndergaard-or-degrom-deal/

I would empty the system for Syndergaard. Under contract for 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021. I would feel very confident in the playoffs with Syndergaard as our Game 1 starter.


I'd give Hiura and Burnes/Peralta (or both). They'd probably ask for Hader, though.

But yeah, they are going to ask for the moon, and would likely get it. Cost would be enormous, but getting a guy like Syndergaard would make the team the immediate favorite in the NL.

Now that would cause me some pause. However, if they are truly rebuilding, I doubt they want a reliever on the MLB roster. I would assume it would be Hiura, Burnes, Peralta and our second best hitting prospect in their eyes.

I would do it without hesitating.


Hader is young enough (and cheap enough for the next several years) to be a major value to a rebuilding team. I can't see the Brewers trading major league contributors ... but, the last time they traded for someone of this magnitude (Greinke), MLB talent (Cain, Escobar) was part of the return. A team with the financial resources of the Mets may be looking at a short turn-around with a rebuild, which would make guys like Hader and Arcia possible targets.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 1:03 PM Post
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Well if you take Hader off the table it’s pretty problematic as we don’t have any really elite prospects. Not sure what else on the MLB team you would sacrifice. If another team really values Arcia he is an option, but I don’t think his value is very high these days.

Noah Syndergaard is crazy good and crazy controllable. If the Mets put him on the market (highly doubtful to impossible) I’d think you are looking at:

Orlando Arcia
Keston Hiura
Freddy Peralta
Corbin Burnes

That would be the minimum I would think. Syndergaard is similar to Chris Sale and he commanded arguably the best prospect in baseball, another elite prospect, and two other solid prospects. We don’t have anything close to Moncada and honestly I think they would demand an elite potential guy that I’m just not sure we can offer. I’m not sure where to even peg Arcia’s trade value and Burnes has been pretty bad. We would essentially be offering quantity over quality.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 1:12 PM Post
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Syndergaard and deGrom are both the type of franchise type pitchers that you really don't spare any expense for, if they are available. Everyone would be on the table. They aren't just needle movers ... they bury the needle.

You are right Plush that the Brewers may not have the horses to get a deal done, especially if teams like the Nationals or Braves make their (in my opinion) overhyped top prospects available. The Yankees have a bunch of overhyped youngsters they can make available as well.

What the Brewers would be able to offer, though, is quantity and value. They showed they are willing to pony up in their offseason Yelich deal, while teams like the Nats and Braves haven't shown that they are willing to loosen their grip on their prospects. So the Brewers have that going for them.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 1:19 PM Post
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Well if you take Hader off the table it’s pretty problematic as we don’t have any really elite prospects. Not sure what else on the MLB team you would sacrifice. If another team really values Arcia he is an option, but I don’t think his value is very high these days.

Noah Syndergaard is crazy good and crazy controllable. If the Mets put him on the market (highly doubtful to impossible) I’d think you are looking at:

Orlando Arcia
Keston Hiura
Freddy Peralta
Corbin Burnes

That would be the minimum I would think. Syndergaard is similar to Chris Sale and he commanded arguably the best prospect in baseball, another elite prospect, and two other solid prospects. We don’t have anything close to Moncada and honestly I think they would demand an elite potential guy that I’m just not sure we can offer. I’m not sure where to even peg Arcia’s trade value and Burnes has been pretty bad. We would essentially be offering quantity over quality.


I agree with some of this, but Burnes has not been 'pretty bad.' He has a 3.25 road ERA which is much more telling of how he has performed in neutral conditions.

Its Colorado Springs. Josh Hader is pretty much unhittable and yet his numbers in Colorado Springs last year were also very ugly.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 1:53 PM Post
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Syndergaard and deGrom are both the type of franchise type pitchers that you really don't spare any expense for, if they are available. Everyone would be on the table. They aren't just needle movers ... they bury the needle.


Amen. Everyone would be on the table except maybe Yelich. I truly would empty the farm for Syndergaard.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 1:58 PM Post
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No concern for the history of injuries for both of them?

I own both on 3 fantasy keeper teams (yup, both on 3 separate teams) and they routinely miss time on the DL pretty much every season.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't pay up for one of them, but the injury stuff is always concerning to me.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 2:13 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Syndergaard and deGrom are both the type of franchise type pitchers that you really don't spare any expense for, if they are available. Everyone would be on the table. They aren't just needle movers ... they bury the needle.


Amen. Everyone would be on the table except maybe Yelich. I truly would empty the farm for Syndergaard.


So you would give up Aguilar, Shaw, Hader, Taylor Williams, and Arcia (for example)?

Just going by your assertion that everyone besides Yelich is on the table. I would love Syndergaard but I'd be a lot more cautious than that. If Syndergaard and deGrom were more important than what we already have we'd be the ones selling assets and the Mets would be the ones contending instead of struggling like they are.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 2:17 PM Post
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Syndergaard is definitely talented enough to warrant including Hader in the trade, especially given the contract. There are very very few guys that you even put Hader in the conversation for, but Syndergaard is one. I think if I gave up Hader, I would not give up Hiura. I don't think Syndergaard is going anywhere to be honest, not for a couple more years at least.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 2:20 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Warning Track Power said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Syndergaard and deGrom are both the type of franchise type pitchers that you really don't spare any expense for, if they are available. Everyone would be on the table. They aren't just needle movers ... they bury the needle.


Amen. Everyone would be on the table except maybe Yelich. I truly would empty the farm for Syndergaard.


So you would give up Aguilar, Shaw, Hader, Taylor Williams, and Arcia (for example)?

Just going by your assertion that everyone besides Yelich is on the table. I would love Syndergaard but I'd be a lot more cautious than that. If Syndergaard and deGrom were more important than what we already have we'd be the ones selling assets and the Mets would be the ones contending instead of struggling like they are.


Come on, you have to be reasonable as well. I think most anyone can see the Brewers are in a better position to contend than the Mets, who are made up of Syndergaard, deGrom and a bunch of spare parts.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 2:24 PM Post
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Unreasonable? That's probably around the lines of what they would be looking for if they were seeking an MLB ready package rather than prospects.

Hader and Shaw clearly have a ton of value but the other 3 have debatable levels of trade value.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 2:28 PM Post
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Unreasonable? That's probably around the lines of what they would be looking for if they were seeking an MLB ready package rather than prospects.

Hader and Shaw clearly have a ton of value but the other 3 have debatable levels of trade value.


I think it is probably reasonable from the Mets' perspective, but not the Brewers', given Syndergaard or deGrom would be acquired in an attempt to "go for it" this year and in subsequent years. It wouldn't surprise me to see a return of both MLB-ready talent and high-end prospects, though.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 3:05 PM Post
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Both are phenomenal pitchers, better than anything we have now or in recent years but I'm passing on both. Injury histories for both and neither do anything to help our pathetic offense. In fact, they would only hurt it since I'm sure a few current or soon to be MLB hitters would be included in the trade. I'm not giving up 3 to 4 very good/potential to be very good major leaguers for 1 guy that is only going to play every 5 days and very likely to be injured at some point.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 3:23 PM Post
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There is no way I would empty the farm for a SP. Brewers simply can't afford to take a risk like that, one injury away from being a disaster of a move. This whole ace pitcher thing is not worth chasing. You keep developing players and hope you stumble into one. But it is not the only way to win the WS, and you're still far from guaranteed winning one if you have an ace.

Mets have both these guys and look at how they're struggling. Tells you it takes far more than an ace or even two to win it all.

Someone mentioned earlier this move would make the Brewers the favorite in the NL. No, it would not.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 3:32 PM Post
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Id rather they slightly overpay for machado and add the premium bat to the lineup it desperately needs, than have to shell out what it would take to land either degrom or thor. Brewers have to find a consistent offense before even thinking of making a significant move for starting pitching.


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Id rather they slightly overpay for machado and add the premium bat to the lineup it desperately needs, than have to shell out what it would take to land either degrom or thor. Brewers have to find a consistent offense before even thinking of making a significant move for starting pitching.


Agree. I'm not giving up tons of young controllable talent for 1 player. Too much risk involved.

Stick to the plan.


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Posted: June 07, 2018, 4:05 PM Post
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To be confident that we will win every 5th & have a starting pitcher to look forward to... unload. Guessing Peralta, Burnes, Hiura, Lutz for Thor. He is legit as that is under control for pretty long time. Once Jimmy is back, if Woodruff comes back around, and Ortiz and/or Z. Brown can keep developing. We will live. We have OFs in system so losing Lutz won’t kill. Hiura stings a bit since. Hope Dubon comes back to where he was before ACL went.


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