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Offline ClosetBrewerFan Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 23, 2018, 7:50 PM Post
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nate82 said:
KCBrewerfan34 said:
Woodard Ray and Stokes doesn’t get it done?


Close and it would depend on what the Mets think of Woodard and Ray. Probably need a third prospect like Brown if you are not including Hiura or Burnes.

You had me going. Steve Woodard has not pitched for the Brewers since 1999. Do you think we could sign him for a 1 day contract to see if the Mets get fooled? I'd do Woodard, Ray and Stokes for Syndergaard in a heartbeat. Heck I'd even throw in Steve Braun and the money to cover the rest of his contract.
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Offline Jaylyn Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 23, 2018, 7:54 PM Post
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MLBTR states that the Mets want to “fill multiple holes with real impact" and are not interested in lower level prospects. They certainly have a opening at 1st, wonder if Jesus Aguilar would be of interest? Santana would be an upgrade in RF for them no doubt.
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Offline trwi7 Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 23, 2018, 10:16 PM Post
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KCBrewerfan34 said:
Woodard Ray and Stokes doesn’t get it done?


Even if Woodard means Woodruff it doesn't come close.
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Offline BrewersAA Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 24, 2018, 12:58 PM Post
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Maybe Schoop, Santana, Jesus, Thames, peralta, Doubon, Corey Ray, and throw in the money to cover Schoop
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Offline Boomer5 Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 24, 2018, 1:35 PM Post
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Maybe Schoop, Santana, Jesus, Thames, peralta, Doubon, Corey Ray, and throw in the money to cover Schoop


I’m assuming this is in blue.
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Offline ThisIsMyCrew Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 24, 2018, 3:01 PM Post
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Personally, I wouldn’t touch Thor. Way to risky and I like our youth too much.
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Offline trwi7 Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 24, 2018, 3:58 PM Post
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Maybe Schoop, Santana, Jesus, Thames, peralta, Doubon, Corey Ray, and throw in the money to cover Schoop


I too would endorse a trade where we clear a ton of money, don't give up any really good prospects and get rid of the fringes of our 25 man roster. Unfortunately, that's not how this works.
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Offline BrewersAA Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 24, 2018, 4:08 PM Post
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Domingo and Jesus are both 30 homer big leaguers on extremely cheap contracts, Schoop got mvp votes 2 years ago. Peralta is an “untouchable prospect” Corey has helium as a prospect and was the 5th overall pick, doubon is a highly regarded prospect that plays short and is major league ready.
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Offline trwi7 Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 24, 2018, 4:21 PM Post
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Domingo and Jesus are both 30 homer big leaguers on extremely cheap contracts, Schoop got mvp votes 2 years ago. Peralta is an “untouchable prospect” Corey has helium as a prospect and was the 5th overall pick, doubon is a highly regarded prospect that plays short and is major league ready.


Domingo was so bad last year that he was sent to the minors at one point and rebounding to the point where he was only slightly below average offensively on the year. And with Conforto and Nimmo, they really have no need for Santana anyways.

Aguilar and Thames aren't great fits since two of their top prospects are 1st basemen and major league ready. Thames is also in his 30s with only a year left and is probably closer to a salary dump than valuable asset for us. Aguilar had a few week hot stretch that he parlayed into an all-star vote and more publicity than it otherwise would have gotten. His .760 OPS in the second half doesn't provide a ton of value. Even if he settles into an .850ish OPS, that's still not terribly valuable considering position.

Peralta is not an untouchable prospect by any stretch.

Ray hit .239 and struck out in almost 30% of his plate appearances last year and that was by far his best season in pro ball. Nobody is going to be clamoring to get that kind of prospect.

Dubon's OBP was .005 points higher than his BA last year and he got to play in Colorado Springs. Nothing about that screams highly regarded to me and I certainly wouldn't put him in the major league ready category with that plate discipline.
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Offline turborickey Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 24, 2018, 4:34 PM Post
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I have never understood the Dubon love on these pages. People continue to act like this guy is ready to contribute on the big team.
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Offline OldHeidelberg Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 25, 2018, 8:05 AM Post
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What if we offered them Cain in a package for Syndergaard? That would seem to fit a need for the Mets, Cain's WAR the next 3 years could be as good as Thor's. He would cost a little more $ I think and there are concerns of decline with age so Brewers would have to add more. Cain and Hiura is too much? We could hang on to Broxton and play him and Yellich at center until hopefully Ray is ready soon plus we keep our young pitchers. I don't think the Brewers would trade Cain so really just for discussion on what it would take to get him but it seems like maybe giving up a nice major league piece may be the way to get the Mets to deal him as they are not as interested in prospects. As mentioned is posts above I don't think Aguilar or Santana could be that piece. I think Cain's no trade clause kicks in later in his contract although I may have that flipped.
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Offline ThisIsMyCrew Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 25, 2018, 8:16 AM Post
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OldHeidelberg said:
What if we offered them Cain in a package for Syndergaard? That would seem to fit a need for the Mets, Cain's WAR the next 3 years could be as good as Thor's. He would cost a little more $ I think and there are concerns of decline with age so Brewers would have to add more. Cain and Hiura is too much? We could hang on to Broxton and play him and Yellich at center until hopefully Ray is ready soon plus we keep our young pitchers. I don't think the Brewers would trade Cain so really just for discussion on what it would take to get him but it seems like maybe giving up a nice major league piece may be the way to get the Mets to deal him as they are not as interested in prospects. As mentioned is posts above I don't think Aguilar or Santana could be that piece. I think Cain's no trade clause kicks in later in his contract although I may have that flipped.


Cain had a near mvp level type production and we want to trade him? Not to mention any leadership he brought to the team. The drop off from Broxton to Cain is huge. As in, we may not make playoffs...ie 2017.
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Offline OldHeidelberg Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 25, 2018, 8:24 AM Post
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I didn't say I wanted to trade him, just speculating on something that may get it done. You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.

Plus it would clear up a spot for Harper.
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Offline JosephC Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 25, 2018, 9:50 AM Post
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If I'm in the Met's GM chair, I would be looking to deal both deGrom and Syndergaard but would only move them at my price. Minimum 75+ million in prospect surplus value for deGrom and 70+ million in prospect surplus value for Syndergaard. deGrom may have one less season of control but has established himself as the elite of the elite. Those are fair expectations for those two pitchers IMO.

Zero interest in Lorenzo Cain and zero interest in any MLB first baseman. No interest in taking on any big salaries and the Mets have a minor league first baseman ready to get his MLB chance in Peter Alonso.
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Offline True Blue Brew Crew Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 25, 2018, 10:34 AM Post
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OldHeidelberg said:
You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.


And the rest of our pitchers would suffer because of the dramatic dropoff in outfield defense behind them. Say goodbye to all those runs saved.

Sign me up.
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Offline homer Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 25, 2018, 11:18 AM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
OldHeidelberg said:
You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.


And the rest of our pitchers would suffer because of the dramatic dropoff in outfield defense behind them. Say goodbye to all those runs saved.

Sign me up.


We're trading Cain too??
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Offline True Blue Brew Crew Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 25, 2018, 12:07 PM Post
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homer said:
True Blue Brew Crew said:
OldHeidelberg said:
You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.


And the rest of our pitchers would suffer because of the dramatic dropoff in outfield defense behind them. Say goodbye to all those runs saved.

Sign me up.


We're trading Cain too??


That was OldHeidelberg's out loud thought about 5 posts up.
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Offline StCroixCtyBrewer Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 29, 2018, 5:52 AM Post
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Seems like maybe there's some actual smoke here...

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb- ... s-rockies/
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Offline adambr2 Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 29, 2018, 6:20 AM Post
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I really don't think much of it until something becomes imminent to be honest. I am pretty used to us showing interest in just about every major piece that makes any sense at all. We've also inquired about Realmuto, Bumgarner, etc.
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Offline paul253 Re: Syndergaard and deGrom
Posted: November 29, 2018, 7:22 AM Post
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I’d offer up Peralta, Ray, Stokes, Broxton and Davies. I have no idea what the Mets “needs” are but it gives them an immediate replacement for Syndergaard in Davies, a higher end pitching prospect in Peralta, a high ceiling outfield prospect in Ray, and decent outfield prospect in Stokes and another piece in Broxton.

Not a clue if that price is too much or not nearly enough but it’s my starting point.
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