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Posted: June 13, 2018, 6:50 PM Post
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paul253 said:
I understand the need not to empty out the system completely but at some point you need to fill your holes with talented players and not just depth.


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At some point the 40 man roster is going to play a role. Who DS sees as sustaining the run and who he sees as movable as either depth or smaller parts of a bigger trade for more talent.

We need to start talking about the 40 if you are going to speculate on aggression and trades.


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I agree they will have a few issues and DS did move three big prospects already. I like Hiura and I think we need to keep at least two arms.


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I’m a big time hiura believer and obviously 2nd base is a need. Other then him anyone else is fair game along with arcia and Zach Davies.


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ebmackenzie said:
paul253 said:
I understand the need not to empty out the system completely but at some point you need to fill your holes with talented players and not just depth.


https://twitter.com/YouKnowAndThat/stat ... 0204479493

At some point the 40 man roster is going to play a role. Who DS sees as sustaining the run and who he sees as movable as either depth or smaller parts of a bigger trade for more talent.

We need to start talking about the 40 if you are going to speculate on aggression and trades.


I don't see it as a major issue.

There are five players on that list that I would put on the "need to keep list."

1. Bubba Derby - pitching well at CS.

2. Nate Griep - Another solid season, likely a future bullpen arm.

3. Luis Ortiz - Star has faded but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I think he could become a future bullpen arm.

4. Cody Ponce - Bad in 2018 but there is potential here.

5. Kodi Medieros - Ugly numbers as a pro but still only 22. 2018 has been solid so far.

In looking at the current 40 man here are guys I would jettison in a heartbeat:

1. Alec Asher
2. Boone Logan
3. Wade Miley
4. Aaron Wilkerson
5. Steven Vogt
6. Nick Franklin
7. Hernan Perez
8. Eric Sogard
9. Keon Broxton (I think he could be traded for a lottery ticket at a minimum).

And I'm certain Stearns will trade a least 2 or 3 guys this summer to improve the club.


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wildcat2237 said:
ebmackenzie said:
paul253 said:
I understand the need not to empty out the system completely but at some point you need to fill your holes with talented players and not just depth.


https://twitter.com/YouKnowAndThat/stat ... 0204479493

At some point the 40 man roster is going to play a role. Who DS sees as sustaining the run and who he sees as movable as either depth or smaller parts of a bigger trade for more talent.

We need to start talking about the 40 if you are going to speculate on aggression and trades.


I don't see it as a major issue.

There are five players on that list that I would put on the "need to keep list."

1. Bubba Derby - pitching well at CS.

2. Nate Griep - Another solid season, likely a future bullpen arm.

3. Luis Ortiz - Star has faded but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I think he could become a future bullpen arm.

4. Cody Ponce - Bad in 2018 but there is potential here.

5. Kodi Medieros - Ugly numbers as a pro but still only 22. 2018 has been solid so far.

In looking at the current 40 man here are guys I would jettison in a heartbeat:

1. Alec Asher
2. Boone Logan
3. Wade Miley
4. Aaron Wilkerson
5. Steven Vogt
6. Nick Franklin
7. Hernan Perez
8. Eric Sogard
9. Keon Broxton (I think he could be traded for a lottery ticket at a minimum).

And I'm certain Stearns will trade a least 2 or 3 guys this summer to improve the club.


You are leaving an awful lot of talent unprotected. Gatewood is the biggest name probably, but also Stokes, Perrin, Torres-Costa, Bickford, Kirby and Lara. Some of these names you'll just have to leave unprotected if you don't trade them and see what happens, you can't protect everyone. But it's hard not to see them not wanting to definitely find room for Gatewood, probably Stokes and one of Perrin or Torres-Costa.

And Vogt and Miley are not on the 40 man roster.


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I agree...a lot of meat on the bone with just those 5 being protected. Easier to send two and receive an single A arm who won't have to be 40'd for a couple of years or add value by sending away our own lottery tickets.


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Posted: June 14, 2018, 6:30 AM Post
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You are leaving an awful lot of talent unprotected. Gatewood is the biggest name probably, but also Stokes, Perrin, Torres-Costa, Bickford, Kirby and Lara. Some of these names you'll just have to leave unprotected if you don't trade them and see what happens, you can't protect everyone. But it's hard not to see them not wanting to definitely find room for Gatewood, probably Stokes and one of Perrin or Torres-Costa.

And Vogt and Miley are not on the 40 man roster.


If Bickford continues to get his velocity back up, I'd have to think he's a lock to be protected. He's the exact type of guy teams covet in the Rule 5 - a guy that has stuff and huge potential that can be hidden in the pen for a year.

Also, Gatewood is either going to be protected or traded this year. You don't give away a guy with that kind of talent for nothing. I could also see a team taking a chance on Stokes or Kirby and back-of-the-roster guys. Stokes because he is young and has shown flashes, and Kirby because he's a mystery due to injury.


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I don't see it as a major issue.

There are five players on that list that I would put on the "need to keep list."

1. Bubba Derby - pitching well at CS.

2. Nate Griep - Another solid season, likely a future bullpen arm.

3. Luis Ortiz - Star has faded but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I think he could become a future bullpen arm.

4. Cody Ponce - Bad in 2018 but there is potential here.

5. Kodi Medieros - Ugly numbers as a pro but still only 22. 2018 has been solid so far.

In looking at the current 40 man here are guys I would jettison in a heartbeat:

1. Alec Asher
2. Boone Logan
3. Wade Miley
4. Aaron Wilkerson
5. Steven Vogt
6. Nick Franklin
7. Hernan Perez
8. Eric Sogard
9. Keon Broxton (I think he could be traded for a lottery ticket at a minimum).

And I'm certain Stearns will trade a least 2 or 3 guys this summer to improve the club.


I pretty much agree.

My 40 man after the season made up of current Brewers (+1) would be:
Pitchers (17) = Matt Albers, Chase Anderson, Jacob Barnes, Jhoulys Chacin, Zach Davies, Marcos Diplan, Junior Guerra, Josh Hader, Adrian Houser, Jeremy Jeffress, Dan Jennings, Corey Knebel, Jimmy Nelson, Freddy Peralta, Brett Suter, Taylor Williams, Brandon Woodruff
Catchers (3) = Jacob Nottingham, Manny Pina, CATCHER (*)
Infielders (7) = Jesus Aguilar, Orlando Arcia, Mauricio Dubon, Hernan Perez, Travis Shaw, Eric Thames, Jonathan Villar
Outfielders (6) = Ryan Braun, Keon Broxton, Lorenzo Cain, Brett Phillips, Domingo Santana, Christian Yelich

That means the following are off the 40-man:
Pitchers (4) = Boone Logan, Jorge Lopez, Wade Miley, Aaron Wilkerson
Catcher (2) = Erik Kratz, Stephen Vogt
Infielders (4) = Nick Franklin, Brad Miller (**), Tyler Saladino, Eric Sogard

(*) - Can't just depend on two catchers on the 40-man roster to start off the season. So I adding in CATCHER to count that spot for whomever the third catcher would be.
(**) - Miller could play his way into the mix, but to offer him a contract in arbitration next season would guarantee him an absolute minimum of 3.6 million but he would likely wind up with a contract in the 5.5 to 5.75 million dollar range which is a pretty big number. I think it's pretty likely he will not be offered arbitration.

As far as the Brewers adding veteran players by free agency or trade, that would likely push other players off the 25 man roster (Perez being an example) which would push that player off the 40 man roster. So I don't think any of those additions impacts the final numbers I have above. I've added the third catcher which is necessary, but any notable adds just subtracts off players like Hernan Perez, Keon Broxton, etc.

So I have 33 on the 40 man which give me seven openings. I'd add the following:
Pitcher = Kodi Medeiros, Luis Ortiz, Cody Ponce, Trey Supak, Quintin Torres-Costa
Infielder = Jake Gatewood
Outfielder = Troy Stokes Jr

These guys are not added for the following reasons:
-Bubba Derby = Sounds like his secondary stuff is still pretty fringy so he projects as a MLB reliever. Not an overpowering fastball. If the reports I've read are accurate, it sounds like Derby's best outcome is an average middle reliever.

-Jon Perrin = I personally like Perrin and think he could be a sleeper as a solid #4 starter or a plus-plus starter/reliever swingman. But as time goes on it seems the Brewers see him more and more as a reliever. If that's the case, he probably gets used in a Jorge Lopez type role and I don't think I'd use a 40-man spot on him this off-season.

-Nate Griep = I've seen some reports questioning his stuff and wondering how it will play at the major league level. Not so sure of the legitimacy of that, or how much of that comes from a mediocre showing in the Arizona Fall League last year. He has piled up 75 saves in the Brewer's system, but it doesn't sound like he projects as a closer at the MLB level and is likely middle reliever quality.

-Phil Bickford = Considering his recent history, would you draft him and dedicate a 25-man roster spot to him for a good chunk of the regular season? Miguel Diaz was the type of non-ready, flyer pick but he didn't have nearly the off-the-field baggage that Bickford does. He has the talent to be a Rule 5 pick, but I have no problem with gambling and leaving him off the 40. He probably needs a couple more years of development time and if another team wants to clog up a spot on their 40 man roster for the next couple of seasons then they are welcome to do so. Would love to retain him, and if he has a good 2019 then he might be worth a 40 man spot.

So there is only one problem that I see. This currently blocks Corbin Burnes (not Rule 5 eligible until December 2019) from a 40 man spot. So if I want to add him to the 40 man roster some time this year, then I have one spot I need to clear. One spot, only one spot.

So I agree with Wildcat, I just don't think it's a huge issue.


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So there is only one problem that I see. This currently blocks Corbin Burnes (not Rule 5 eligible until December 2019) from a 40 man spot. So if I want to add him to the 40 man roster some time this year, then I have one spot I need to clear. One spot, only one spot.

You'll also need to make room in early 2019 for Hiura, who barring injury will be needing to get added to the 40 man since he'll be in Milwaukee playing 2nd base.

However, there are going to be moves made at the deadline and early offseason that clarify the 40 man roster and continue to give Stearns the flexibility he likes. One of the reasons I had no issues whatsoever with the package of players he sent to Miami for Yelich was that he replaced Brinson's 5 years of control that undoubtedly will include MLB growing pains with roughly the same amount of control for Yelich through his prime years, and the two other top prospects (Diaz, Harrison) were going to be part of this year's 40 man crunch as well.


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You'll also need to make room in early 2019 for Hiura, who barring injury will be needing to get added to the 40 man since he'll be in Milwaukee playing 2nd base.



I certainly hope you are right and Hiura is up in late 2018 or early 2019. However, that all assumes that he continues to own AA pitching.

Moreover, Hiura is still considered a butcher in the field. So although his bat might be ready, they may need to figure something out with the glove.


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You'll also need to make room in early 2019 for Hiura, who barring injury will be needing to get added to the 40 man since he'll be in Milwaukee playing 2nd base.



I certainly hope you are right and Hiura is up in late 2018 or early 2019. However, that all assumes that he continues to own AA pitching.

Moreover, Hiura is still considered a butcher in the field. So although his bat might be ready, they may need to figure something out with the glove.

Is he? Not saying I know one way or the other, but from some of what I've read on him lately, it sounds like some folks think he can be decent at 2B. Not Brandon Phillips with the leather or anything, but solid enough to go along with his bat.

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What about Hiura's arm? Tommy John seemed somewhat inevitable so does he just try to time out getting it later this season so that he can return by early/mid-2019?


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What about Hiura's arm? Tommy John seemed somewhat inevitable so does he just try to time out getting it later this season so that he can return by early/mid-2019?

You don't just have TJ done as a preventative step, it's only for when your ligament actually tears. As far as I think can be determined thus far, Hiura had some soreness to start the season, but he's played 2B in 11 of 12 June games so far (appears he was rested for the one game he didn't start/play 2B; only had 1 PA on 6/4) & in 26 of his last 34 games.

Looks like we were pretty cautious with him in May, but since June they've pretty much turned him loose as the regular 2B. Can't imagine they'd do that if he had any discomfort still.

Time will tell with his defense & arm, but if he just keeps hitting in the meantime, I think whatever will happen will work out fine.

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Moreover, Hiura is still considered a butcher in the field. So although his bat might be ready, they may need to figure something out with the glove.

Find the baseball scout with a quote that says he's a butcher in the field and post it. You might be looking awhile, because he's not a butcher in the field. He's not going to win any gold gloves defensively, but he's not a bad fielder and he's a good athlete - we're not talking about a statue in the field with no range and stone hands. Scouting reports pre-draft questioned his defense simply because he hadn't played a position his last 1+ collegiate seasons due to his arm troubles. It was more uncertainty of his position with the assumption that his arm was going to get cut on.

What about Hiura's arm? Tommy John seemed somewhat inevitable so does he just try to time out getting it later this season so that he can return by early/mid-2019?

Since his promotion to AA, where there aren't any other legit 2B prospects that would demand regular playing time at that position as part of their development, Hiura has played 2B every game he's started. I think he was a pinch hitter for one game that was likely a scheduled day off in the field for him. His elbow issues prevented him from playing his last collegiate season in the field leading up to the draft and he primarily DH'd in limited minor league action last season, but Hiura spent this past offseason and a full MLB spring training throwing, taking defensive drills, etc. He started in A+ primarily DH-ing due to what was deemed precautionary rest for his arm that was fatigued, which was concerning but also should have been expected due to an uneven workload the past few years. He then worked his way back onto the field and split 2B duties with Tucker Newhaus (Brewers' 2nd round pick out of high school in 2013) at A+ during May - on days he didn't play 2nd he DH'd and still got work in on the side.

All indications currently are that Hiura's arm isn't a concern to the point of him needing a ligament replacement surgery - you don't promote a prospect to a level where many games Biloxi doesn't use a DH if you think he's one throw away from blowing out his arm.


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Moreover, Hiura is still considered a butcher in the field. So although his bat might be ready, they may need to figure something out with the glove.

Find the baseball scout with a quote that says he's a butcher in the field and post it. You might be looking awhile, because he's not a butcher in the field.


It took me less than 2 minutes to find John Sickles report from March 2018:

1) Keston Hiura, 2B, Grade B+/A-: Age 21, first round pick in 2017 from University of California-Irvine, ninth overall, hit .371/.422/.611 in 167 at-bats in pro debut between rookie ball and Midwest League, 13 walks, 37 strikeouts; excellent hitter who is close to major league-ready, plenty of bat speed, projected to hit for both power and average; main question is defense, as he was limited to DH by an elbow injury for most of the season, got into just three games at second base in pro ball; may be destined for left field but even so his bat will play anywhere; ETA late 2019

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/2/ ... s-for-2018

Second base is not as difficult to play as 3B or SS. So the only way LF is an option is if you are butcher.


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Fear The Chorizo said:
Moreover, Hiura is still considered a butcher in the field. So although his bat might be ready, they may need to figure something out with the glove.

Find the baseball scout with a quote that says he's a butcher in the field and post it. You might be looking awhile, because he's not a butcher in the field.


It took me less than 2 minutes to find John Sickles report from March 2018:

1) Keston Hiura, 2B, Grade B+/A-: Age 21, first round pick in 2017 from University of California-Irvine, ninth overall, hit .371/.422/.611 in 167 at-bats in pro debut between rookie ball and Midwest League, 13 walks, 37 strikeouts; excellent hitter who is close to major league-ready, plenty of bat speed, projected to hit for both power and average; main question is defense, as he was limited to DH by an elbow injury for most of the season, got into just three games at second base in pro ball; may be destined for left field but even so his bat will play anywhere; ETA late 2019

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/2/ ... s-for-2018

Second base is not as difficult to play as 3B or SS. So the only way LF is an option is if you are butcher.

He said it’s a question because of injury, he’s played defense just 3 times in over a year, so it’s impossible to say how good or bad he will be. Calling him a butcher based on that is a huge stretch.


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Fear The Chorizo said:
Moreover, Hiura is still considered a butcher in the field. So although his bat might be ready, they may need to figure something out with the glove.

Find the baseball scout with a quote that says he's a butcher in the field and post it. You might be looking awhile, because he's not a butcher in the field.


It took me less than 2 minutes to find John Sickles report from March 2018:

1) Keston Hiura, 2B, Grade B+/A-: Age 21, first round pick in 2017 from University of California-Irvine, ninth overall, hit .371/.422/.611 in 167 at-bats in pro debut between rookie ball and Midwest League, 13 walks, 37 strikeouts; excellent hitter who is close to major league-ready, plenty of bat speed, projected to hit for both power and average; main question is defense, as he was limited to DH by an elbow injury for most of the season, got into just three games at second base in pro ball; may be destined for left field but even so his bat will play anywhere; ETA late 2019

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/2/ ... s-for-2018

Second base is not as difficult to play as 3B or SS. So the only way LF is an option is if you are butcher.


This post just totally proved my point...thank you


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I keep Gatewood on the 40 man


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2nd base is not a need, upgrading it would be a luxury. We would need quite the upgrade to really improve it.

You have to be on something pretty good to think Hiura is going to play a big role this season or Villar will play a bunch of SS...let alone both.

Only way I can even remotely imagine Hiura on this team is if he comes up in September as a pinch hitter o something. Even then you are adding him to the 40 man to do so...I really don’t see that happening.


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So there is only one problem that I see. This currently blocks Corbin Burnes (not Rule 5 eligible until December 2019) from a 40 man spot. So if I want to add him to the 40 man roster some time this year, then I have one spot I need to clear. One spot, only one spot.

You'll also need to make room in early 2019 for Hiura, who barring injury will be needing to get added to the 40 man since he'll be in Milwaukee playing 2nd base.

However, there are going to be moves made at the deadline and early offseason that clarify the 40 man roster and continue to give Stearns the flexibility he likes. One of the reasons I had no issues whatsoever with the package of players he sent to Miami for Yelich was that he replaced Brinson's 5 years of control that undoubtedly will include MLB growing pains with roughly the same amount of control for Yelich through his prime years, and the two other top prospects (Diaz, Harrison) were going to be part of this year's 40 man crunch as well.


Hiura really doesn't figure into the equation. Very, very, very unlikely he is added to the 25 man roster this year. Will not be eligible for the Rule 5 draft in December. Could easily be added to the 25 man roster in 2019 but likely won't happen at the beginning of the season. If one starts talking about May 2019, then there is a good possibility that one or two players have hit the 60-day DL and are not counted on the 40-man roster, but a more likely scenario is that Hiura eventually replaces someone else who played themselves off the 25 and 40 man rosters. I see no reason to worry about finding room for him now.


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