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what about steven matz of the mets

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Posted: June 13, 2018, 8:46 PM Post
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what would it take to get him..
career line is 3.90 with a 17-19 record.
he has 265 strikeouts to only 87 walks.about 3-1
$577,000 salary with arb.1 next year
sounds solid


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Posted: June 13, 2018, 9:19 PM Post
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Our entire farm. Man Mets could flip that farm upside down trading their startingg pitching


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Posted: June 13, 2018, 10:25 PM Post
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I'd stay far away from Matz. After his significant injuries, he's not the promising young pitcher he was 2-3 years ago. His decent ERA is not supported by his peripherals, and he averages less than 5.0 per start.


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Posted: June 14, 2018, 2:54 PM Post
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brewersfan101 said:
Our entire farm. Man Mets could flip that farm upside down trading their startingg pitching


For Matz, we'll probably have to give up Hader, Arcia, Hiura, Lutz, Burnes...add in Ray and Supak as apparent filler to put it over the top.

Why do so many of you think we'd have to give up our entire farm for 1 good pitcher? When in the last handful of years have we seen a massive haul for a SP? The Chris Sale trade is the only one, and Chris Sale is far superior to Degrom and his contract situation was far more team friendly. I'll also add that pretty much everyone thought that trade was a massive overpay at the time of trade. Matz would command far less than Degrom or Syndergaard, as he has major injury concerns and hasn't shown more than a mid-rotation ceiling.


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Posted: June 14, 2018, 4:02 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
brewersfan101 said:
Our entire farm. Man Mets could flip that farm upside down trading their startingg pitching


For Matz, we'll probably have to give up Hader, Arcia, Hiura, Lutz, Burnes...add in Ray and Supak as apparent filler to put it over the top.

Why do so many of you think we'd have to give up our entire farm for 1 good pitcher? When in the last handful of years have we seen a massive haul for a SP? The Chris Sale trade is the only one, and Chris Sale is far superior to Degrom and his contract situation was far more team friendly. I'll also add that pretty much everyone thought that trade was a massive overpay at the time of trade. Matz would command far less than Degrom or Syndergaard, as he has major injury concerns and hasn't shown more than a mid-rotation ceiling.


Because he is a cheap young talented pitcher. Let's not forget this guy was a top 15 prospect a few years back. Same could have been say about Zack Wheeler. We almost gave up Gomez (who was incredible at that time) for a guy who received TJ surgery that year and Wilmer Flores.


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Posted: June 14, 2018, 4:43 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
brewersfan101 said:
Our entire farm. Man Mets could flip that farm upside down trading their startingg pitching


For Matz, we'll probably have to give up Hader, Arcia, Hiura, Lutz, Burnes...add in Ray and Supak as apparent filler to put it over the top.

Why do so many of you think we'd have to give up our entire farm for 1 good pitcher? When in the last handful of years have we seen a massive haul for a SP? The Chris Sale trade is the only one, and Chris Sale is far superior to Degrom and his contract situation was far more team friendly. I'll also add that pretty much everyone thought that trade was a massive overpay at the time of trade. Matz would command far less than Degrom or Syndergaard, as he has major injury concerns and hasn't shown more than a mid-rotation ceiling.



Feel free to present what you think is a fair offer for matz


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Posted: June 14, 2018, 6:13 PM Post
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I don't think we should be trading for a starter unless its a clear upgrade. Matz is injury prone and very hittable. PASS


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Posted: June 14, 2018, 8:08 PM Post
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KCBrewerfan34 said:
I don't think we should be trading for a starter unless its a clear upgrade. Matz is injury prone and very hittable. PASS


I tend to agree with this. I'd prefer to target more proven players, the injury history is very concerning. I think my package might be burnes, Henry, and a flier. If they don't like Henry maybe burnes and Philips for Matz and a sogard replacement.

But again I'll add I don't think I'd target Matz.


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Posted: June 14, 2018, 8:58 PM Post
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OnaBadger58 said:
Because he is a cheap young talented pitcher. Let's not forget this guy was a top 15 prospect a few years back. Same could have been say about Zack Wheeler. We almost gave up Gomez (who was incredible at that time) for a guy who received TJ surgery that year and Wilmer Flores.


His arsenal is completely changed from when he looked like a possible future TOR pitcher though.


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Posted: June 15, 2018, 8:18 AM Post
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KCBrewerfan34 said:
I don't think we should be trading for a starter unless its a clear upgrade. Matz is injury prone and very hittable. PASS


Here is where I am. He is fine, but not enough of an upgrade to spend assets on.

Plus, his stats won't look so good if he can't pitch against the Brewers. [tongue]


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